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swimbaitjesus t1_j7uxi0z wrote

Reply to comment by BMonad in KD to the Suns by Bigpie0u812

Not wrong at all keeps everyone engaged

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Express_Helicopter93 t1_j7v98vl wrote

I disagree. There’s no consistency, and players can seemingly just go wherever they want whenever they want so there’s nothing ever built from loyalty, except in a few rare cases. This makes the league harder to follow.

Look at the nfl and nhl. You can predictably know which team most superstars will be playing for the following season, because the players collectively aren’t a bunch of divas. There’s much more loyalty. The athletes/GM’s in the nhl and nba appear to value and appreciate team chemistry more, so you get superstars playing most of their careers in the same place.

Big-name players getting traded in the nba all the time makes it much harder to follow and get into for casuals, and makes longtime fans begin to not give a shit because it’s a fucking carousel of players and teams and nothing means anything anymore.

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droppinkn0wledge t1_j7valud wrote

The NHL is the most stale league in pro sports with virtually zero roster movement or exciting trades, and arguably the worst playoff format in all of sports.

If the NBA is one end of the spectrum, the NHL is the opposite end. Neither is good.

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tronguro t1_j7wsunw wrote

How is the NHL format the worst, the divisional seeding? I don’t disagree with that being a bizarre way to seed but I still think the NHL playoffs are the most exciting postseason of any of the big 4 sports

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NYC_EDITS t1_j7webab wrote

I know this is going to be super unpopular, but when looking at loyalty and the different scales of it, I feel this is one thing which baseball has nailed, tons of homegrown stars, Judge, Trout, Acuna, among others. But you still have the big free agent splashed and big trades, i.e. Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Giancarlo Stanton, Jaun Soto. In the NBA at this point, players move around so often there’s no point getting attached to anything, it’s all very tenuous and players force themselves out of teams all the times, which just makes contracts feel unimportant.

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erikumali t1_j7vlb2s wrote

You can't request for Loyalty from the players if the Organizations/Teams themselves have no Loyalty to said players.

Plus, there's the fact that Organizations have squandered the primes of multiple superstars. The Timberwolves and Kevin Garnett comes to mind. OKC and KD/Russ/Harden/Ibaka is also another example of a squandered core, since management was too cheap to retain Harden.

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NYC_EDITS t1_j7wehg7 wrote

I know this is going to be super unpopular, but when looking at loyalty and the different scales of it, I feel this is one thing which baseball has nailed, tons of homegrown stars, Judge, Trout, Acuna, among others. But you still have the big free agent splashed and big trades, i.e. Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Giancarlo Stanton, Jaun Soto. In the NBA at this point, players move around so often there’s no point getting attached to anything, it’s all very tenuous and players force themselves out of teams all the times, which just makes contracts feel unimportant.

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Express_Helicopter93 t1_j7wfoew wrote

That is odd, how the MLB has done very well in that regard. It definitely makes the nba look even worse by comparison, with how little loyalty there is. Both from the franchises and the players.

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bigloudbang t1_j7vzkqd wrote

>Look at the nfl and nhl. You can predictably know which team most superstars will be playing for the following season, because the players collectively aren’t a bunch of divas. There’s much more loyalty.

As far as the NFL goes, there's definitely no shortage of divas. I dont know about the NBA but the NFL just has strong mechanisms to keep players if you want to

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Express_Helicopter93 t1_j7wdz58 wrote

The NFL’s divas are mostly confined to WRs and DBs. I don’t think there’s anyone out there legitimately comparing NFL players to NBA players in terms of diva-ness; it’s just so obviously common in the nba that’s it’s ingrained into the culture of the sport (flopping to draw fouls being common, etc).

Don’t get me wrong, WR’s and DB’s can diva with the best of them. Guys like cam Newton too. But it’s more of an exception in the NFL whereas in the NBA it’s almost expected unfortunately.

The NHL has essentially no personality ever and never has, so, frankly, it could use some more divas. You know you’ve got a problem if the player with the biggest personality in your league is Brad Marchand. Or for fuck’s sakes, the league could learn how to properly market their biggest stars but they haven’t done that properly since the days of Mario I think.

I guess what I’m saying is, it’s about balance

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