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SannyP t1_j7f95sp wrote

I am shocked. Shocked I tell you.

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F1grid t1_j7fivfk wrote

If you see a turtle on a fence post it’s because someone put it there.

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Rowdy_Roddy96 t1_j7fns6e wrote

I wonder if they deduct Pts from Man City to put the title out of reach for them this season like how Serie A did with Juve?

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DarthSmiff t1_j7fsj82 wrote

Cheating. That’s how you get a bench as deep as City.

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LennyDeG t1_j7g131q wrote

Can't Compete, Cheat. Official Moto of City. A club who have funnelled money in and out their club, changed finances of loses to miraculous profits and did so without a care in the world. If the PL had the balls and they should a relegation from the PL would hit hard.

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ceevee5 t1_j7gd451 wrote

Looking forward to the slap on the wrist and 100 hours of community service that they get sentenced as punishment.

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PerryNeeum t1_j7ggnp3 wrote

Again? No fucks given by the Qataris.

Edit: UAE. Does it matter? Different country in the same geographic area that also would do exactly the same.

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Hip_Hop_Hippos t1_j7glg11 wrote

So I know they don’t have a salary cap in the PL the way they do with some American sports, but is the amount you’re allowed to spend on players capped to your actual club’s revenue? And the City was funneling in the sovereign money under the guise of club profits to circumvent that and build a better team?

Is that the gist?

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zeth07 t1_j7glyta wrote

Replying to HayesDNConfused (#1,735,998)

Wouldn't relegation just indirectly fuck over whatever lower team is there with them?

Cause they are obviously a good team which means after they get relegated there is a massive chance they would just get promoted anyway and the other team in the lower league would miss out on their chance to get a promotion had they not been there.

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PMMeMunicipalPolicy t1_j7gmaiz wrote

Replying to Hip_Hop_Hippos (#1,736,711)

Yes, basically your spending is limited by your revenue (there's a formula that I don't understand, but that's the gist of it)

What city have been doing is making up fake corporations to sponsor the team, making it look like their revenue is much higher than it actually is.

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MasterWaffleZ t1_j7gmfi0 wrote

As nice as it is to finally happen, 4 of the last 5 seasons if they even got a 2 point deduction, Liverpool would have more titles...

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marklondon66 t1_j7gonus wrote

This is going to be so delicious.
Every football fan has known that City have been cooking the books for years. That the Prem is doing something about it is....slightly astounding.

Even if the punishment is light or nonexistent, its going to be a fun ride hearing the details!

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PqqMo t1_j7gudgy wrote

And what will happen? A fine of 100£ and that's it

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MC_ScattCatt t1_j7gzhfd wrote

You’re saying all that revenue wasn’t legit!? With all that history and large fan base that fills the Emptihad I mean Etihad every game you’d think it was legit.

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YeyoSoze t1_j7hf98m wrote

Man City found guilty = Arsenal deducted 15 points

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Juuiken t1_j7hg3gw wrote

No shit, only now they figure? Bunch of goddamn Sherlocks.

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JSteigs t1_j7hh9gv wrote

Replying to DJ_DD (#1,736,782)

They might have a change in their release clause. Most players have a clause (mandated in some countries) that they are able to buy their way out of their contracts, or that of an offer from a club is above a certain price the selling club must accept. I believe there are players who Rae release clauses change if a team is relegated, so suddenly Halaandmight only have a 10mil release clause, who the fuck wouldn’t pay that. The player would still have to accept terms of whichever club is buying the player.

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ResoluteClover t1_j7hnyem wrote

Is Chelsea in trouble after this year? Seriously, I have no idea other than they have spent a ton of money.

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thekrone t1_j7htuwz wrote

Replying to PMMeMunicipalPolicy (#1,736,746)

Also allegedly kept some salaries off the books by having outside companies pay staff and/or players as "consultants" or "advisors", when they didn't really do anything outside of their normal duties for the club.

So not only did they fake revenue, they also hid expenditures.

Gee, I wonder how they consistently showed record profits year after year...

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DesastreUrbano t1_j7hzj9v wrote

Replying to zeth07 (#1,736,736)

They would lose a lot of the sponsors or at best keep them for waaay less money, because they will not keep paying the club the same when they don't get the same level of exposition than being on the top league. Also can't charge the same for tickets or seasonal passes. Also the rewards for the league are way lower. Merch also would get cheaper. Much of the club income would get highly impacted, and will lead to lower contracts for players and general staff

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thekrone t1_j7i22ff wrote

Replying to zeth07 (#1,736,736)

It's extremely likely most, if not all, of their top players force a move if they are relegated.

One, City probably wouldn't be able to afford their current salary bill in the Championship with no Champions League, especially now that they're actually under FFP scrutiny and a lot of the remaining legitimate sponsors will try to distance themselves from this scandal. TV money is also a ton less in the second division. Tickets sell for less, and they will likely sell fewer of them. They will sell less merch. They would probably be deemed ineligible for parachute payments. We're talking a huge drop in revenue.

Two, players don't like "wasting" a season in a lower division than where they should be playing. Not to mention there's no "guarantee" it will only be one year... if one key player jumps ship the rest will soon follow and promotion might prove to be harder than expected when you're trying to integrate a bunch of new players. Especially since if they are relegated, it means a minimum of two seasons without Champions League. They'd likely have to have a fire sale to offload their highest earners and guys who simply don't want to play in the Championship and miss Champion's League.

If they could manage to hang on to their important players for that season, then yes it kinda fucks over the teams that are in the Championship as it's basically a guaranteed promotion spot gone, leaving the rest of them to fight over the remaining two.

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thekrone t1_j7i3l81 wrote

Replying to MasterWaffleZ (#1,736,756)

I don't know, as a fan I don't know if I'd want my club to be awarded a "retroactive title". Feels just kind of hollow. Like if Leicester had their 2015-16 title stripped, would I really want Arsenal to claim that title? Meh.

There are so many ripple effects that would have occurred had City not been cheating this whole time. It's hard to say that second place just gets the title and that's that.

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thekrone t1_j7i3ymu wrote

Replying to tycho_uk (#1,737,401)

200 million is nothing, but retroactive punishments feel hollow. They hand back a few trophies and then keep going? Let them represent England in the Champions League next season? Swear they're following the rules this time?

I feel like future punishment is a more firm deterrent. Relegate them. Preferably down a few divisions. Make them prove they can make their way back to the Premier League by operating the club within the rules (and with a much smaller budget) for a few years.

It would certainly be a huge deterrent for other clubs to think about doing the same.

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thekrone t1_j7i4oev wrote

Replying to PeterSagansLaundry (#1,737,830)

In the past when situations like this have happened in other leagues, they don't relegate four and promote four. They just take the team that got forced relegation and put them in last, and relegate the bottom three, and have the league below promote as normal.

If they do that here, it wouldn't make promotion any easier this season, just harder next season.

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Mr_Cam86 t1_j7i6d8k wrote

Imagine is Gerrard gets a premier league out this ordeal. The “slip” would be on City at that point lol.

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Jimmy_kong253 t1_j7i721c wrote

Meanwhile their oil rich owners are like I can't spend as much as I want to win?

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ungawa t1_j7i7n87 wrote

My only hope is that they’re being charged by the league and not the FIFA mafia. And allegedly, Parliament has been threatening to regulate the league for its practices. A points deduction or relegation wouldn’t surprise me

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H0vis t1_j7ic9tx wrote

Replying to ungawa (#1,739,512)

I mean, it literally says 'charged by Premier League' you didn't even have to read the entire headline to know they are being charged by the league.

It's pretty serious.

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H0vis t1_j7ickyu wrote

Replying to ResoluteClover (#1,738,489)

It's not the spending too much money, it's finding illicit ways to spend money and refusing to cooperate with investigators.

It's a different sport but refusal to cooperate is why Saracens rugby team got relegated from the top division, rather than the other wrongdoing.

It's in the league's interest to bring heavy consequences for the non-cooperation. Teams need to make their accounts available to the league.

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JSteigs t1_j7ii30h wrote

Replying to DesastreUrbano (#1,739,087)

Oh I’m sure man city would find sponsor deals coming out of no where. Might not be anything you’ve ever heard of, or will actually have any sort of advertisements, but there will be looooots of money coming from “legitimate real businesses”.

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t0m999 t1_j7ii68p wrote

While it doesn’t surprise me, I was waiting to hear this story but about Chelsea lol

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ungawa t1_j7ikc2g wrote

Replying to H0vis (#1,739,761)

You must’ve been the smartest one in your class, Einstein. I meant “hope” for a better result this time cause it’s the league going after them. If you recall…Fifa went after City for ffp violations and they got off scott free…cause you know…fifa is like the mafia

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H0vis t1_j7iokm5 wrote

Replying to ungawa (#1,740,173)

That was UEFA. And it went to a different court of arbitration that won't be in play this time. Also City essentially threatened to bankrupt UEFA with legal red tape. Not sure that'll work in the Premier League because the primary power in the Premier League are the other clubs.

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Frankly_Frank_ t1_j7isnkq wrote

Lol this is such a joke they will fine them and that's it. Do you really think they care for a fine when they have endless money.

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klyphw t1_j7iuirq wrote

The Premiere League has financial rules?

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