IsayNigel t1_j2z5xio wrote on January 4, 2023 at 11:24 PM

Reply to comment by jivatman in NASA planetary science budget remains under stress by Lolbitable

I’m sorry, what was that? What’s this about “adequate compensation”? if you’re going to simp for the world’s biggest fraud, at least do some research.

Also, comparing China and Russia is laughably out of touch.

jivatman t1_j2z7yy5 wrote on January 4, 2023 at 11:38 PM

Sorry, did you miss the part in the last comment where I said this, or did you just want a source:

>They paid for a few dishes, but even on those dishes SpaceX has paid for service for a year now. They are losing money on those, they could have gone to paying customers.

Here's the USAID official spokesperson's statement. Rather then your editorializing from Jeff Bezo's outlet.

>“USAID has purchased Starlink terminals, but has not paid for Starlink service,” the spokesperson said. “Like many mobile network markets, the most important cost factor is not the device itself, but the service, which SpaceX is offering for free for all devices.”

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/22/ukraine-internet-starlink-elon-musk-russia-war/

>Also, comparing China and Russia is laughably out of touch.

Yes, China is obviously a bigger threat. The Ukraine war proves what many had already said, that Russia's capabilities have been greatly exaggerated.

IsayNigel t1_j2z8t3k wrote on January 4, 2023 at 11:43 PM

Lmao “oh that part doesn’t count because I don’t want it to”. Hundreds of millions of dollars, to say nothing of the billions in other subsidies musk’s companies have gotten. I guess we won’t talk about the part where he lied about that though right?

The US will never go to war with China over taiwan, to suggest anything otherwise is absurd

jivatman t1_j320bp1 wrote on January 5, 2023 at 2:49 PM

If there's one takeaway I'd like you to have from this conversation, it's that being the lowest bidder in competitive, fixed price contracts is a very different thing from a subsidy.

Because subsidies actually do exist. So do cost-plus contracts, which, without oversight, actually are similar to subsidies.

These are important, basic principles of how the government spends money. Lack of understanding them is ultimately an impediment to having a cost effective government.

jivatman t1_j2zaq1j wrote on January 4, 2023 at 11:56 PM

Bro, SpaceX sells the dishes at a loss. The Verge and other outlets have done teardowns to confirm this. And USAID says all they did was buy dishes.

If by "subsidies' you mean being the lowest bidder in competitive bidding... and therefore actually saving the government money compared to competitors in all SpaceX's contracts, that's a pretty weird definition of 'subsidy'.

Sitting back and letting China take Taiwan without defending them seems like a bad idea, but I admit that predicting what US political leaders might do in response is pretty hard.