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Factorybelt t1_j1ejnmr wrote

The real question should be; how did he get back?

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tejaskhetani OP t1_j1ek23y wrote

The other beings pulled him out of tesseract as soon as his mission was over and ranger got him.

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frodosbitch t1_j1ep56a wrote

That part always bugged me as a bit Deus ex machina. The others brought him ‘out’ of a black hole (how does that even work?) and he was found with just minutes left of air. All offscreen and handled by a line of dialog. A little lazy just to help wrap the story up.

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squeevey t1_j1eq4o0 wrote

no one knows what happens inside a black hole. With that, it seems the writers chose to have Cooper basically end up OUTSIDE of time. Because the beings exist outside of time, the beings could reinsert him into time when/wherever.

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Explains_Wrong t1_j1ewksh wrote

Kip! Bring me my time thingy!

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igcipd t1_j1f1b2e wrote

Dammit Kif! Where's the little umbrella? That's what makes it scotch on the rocks!

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Lance-Harper t1_j1ey26f wrote

Precisely.

It is a bit deus ex machina. « A bit » because deus ex machina is an intervention suppose to solve the main plot whilst cooper’s life or death is secondary once he gave the data away.

But yeah, in short, beings able to place a wormhole leading to a black hole are powerful enough to place and replace a human being, that’s a fair assumption

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DeBlasioDeBlowMe t1_j1ez8ks wrote

Why wouldn’t they insert him shortly after he left then? To help move the data along, save thousands more lives, and see his family?? They wouldn’t even need to do the watch-data transfer. He could have brought it physically back.

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nivvera t1_j1fdpn9 wrote

Because the others enjoy a good plot.

Seriously, it may have been the closest time and place where he could've been rescued before his air ran out. It wasn't until later that a space station was near the wormhole.

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XxShArKbEaRxX t1_j1ez1sx wrote

Ok I was under the impression we are the beings

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zelenskyysballs t1_j1ezxjn wrote

Yeah, that was my takeaway as well

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No-Illustrator4964 t1_j1f05h8 wrote

Same, I feel like the movie deviated from the original script and the beings who were assisting were in fact future humans and not other than human persons.

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Lance-Harper t1_j1fp9t5 wrote

It is an open suestion:

  • if it’s future us, the story becomes a grandfather loophole
  • if not, it’s plain linear

But with what the movie gives us, it’s impossible to know

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kidcrumb t1_j1eze4f wrote

It's a place of immense gravity.

At the center of a black hole is some kind of singularity, but a person can't go through a Black Hole. You'd just be crushed into the space of an atom.

If you stepped onto a planet with 10000x Earth's gravity all of your bones would break and you'd fall down to the floor and be crushed. A black hole is like that except multiplied by infinity.

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SeraphSurfer t1_j1f1hcb wrote

"so you're saying I have a chance"

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kidcrumb t1_j1f1mpv wrote

In the off chance you have a device that allowed you to maintain your body mass and create a bubble of gravity around yourself....you'd still be too big to fit through the singularity.

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MrSpindles t1_j1f6ivm wrote

They could have sent him back to before he abandoned and completely ignored the existence of his son. My take on this film was that some kids get stuck with crap dads.

In my head his son is Judd Nelson's character in the breakfast club, a few years later.

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ramtax666 t1_j1ex3x1 wrote

Well the implied idea is that the "future humans" not aliens, are manipulate time space using gravity. So they use the black hole as a portal and a battery. And the fact that they put him back after 75 years (I believe) have passed in "normal time" suggest he spent like a few minutes in the black hole. I'm not gonna do the entire math, mostly because I don't remember the mass of the black hole. So basic they manipulate the gravity in the black hole to create a space were he could survive and interact with the universe at large in normal time.

This works because the time dilatation inside the black hole stretches back in history, so "deeper" you go further back in history you ca see, and send messages, at least in the movie, we don't have any idea it would be possible. So after he sent the message they created a wormhole to bring him out, but the trick is that they can only bring him back and in the normal time, unaffected by the black hole, so basic he travel in the future from his perspective. So in this regard they respect the general relativity.

Is pretty hard to imagine and explain how this works, is hard core physics and I'm not that good at it :))

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EvenBetterCool t1_j1etumr wrote

It is meant to make you think.

If the others are giving him information that came from him - the continuity is circular. There can be no which came first.

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VanSnugglepusstheIII t1_j1f27br wrote

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

If a civilization is advanced enough to manipulate black holes like they are tinker toys and are perceiving a dimension even one higher then the one we can their abilities would seem God like. Notice the capital G.

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RealCoolDad t1_j1epng1 wrote

I agree, saying 4D beings did it it’s a nuts story element.

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fman84 t1_j1eulwr wrote

4D beings would be outside of time and would not be perceived by us unless they choose to be. I've heard it described such that a 4D being is able to choose when in time it exists and would only be visible when we pass through that moment. It's a hard concept for us to understand much like timelessness or eternity. We live in an existence that is linear and finite. In my personal opinion I feel there is a lot to the universe that we simply cannot perceive due to our limitations. I also cannot prove the existence of 4D beings.

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RealCoolDad t1_j1ev7lo wrote

It’s an interesting idea but it’s really just jammed into interstellar to fix the ending and make it happy.

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fman84 t1_j1evh8u wrote

I can agree with you on that

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nivvera t1_j1ffzov wrote

I feel like it was sadder for him to come back when he did.

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1f4hz0 wrote

The Bulk Beings are 5-D, not just 4-D. They are so superior to time that they couldn’t even find a single point in time.

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fman84 t1_j1fa77z wrote

What are the bulk beings?

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1faias wrote

They’re the “future humans” of the movie. The super-advanced higher dimensional entities we see creating the wormhole and saving Cooper.

They got that name because of how they’re referred to when going through the wormhole.

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papajestify t1_j1eycuk wrote

So you’re okay with everything else that happens in the movie (wormhole dropped into the solar system, tesseract, relaying black hole quantum physics by watch hand, escaping black hole gravity near its event horizon, surviving 1,000 ft. Tidal wave, having a functional space craft after tumbling down a 1,000 ft tidal wave) the lot of it, but him being ejected into space, just-in-time style, just really sets you off? :) it’s a movie! It’s a great movie! Chew on the popped corn and enjoy the ride!

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1f3vsz wrote

The Bulk Beings were 5-D. I’m sure they could figure out how to get him out of a 3-D black hole. They made a whole sub-realm with the Tesseract in it after all.

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arcticblast29 t1_j1ezlm5 wrote

It’s up to u to decide what really happened imo. Either he was rescued by the others and everything that happened was real or he actually died when it collapsed and the rest is just him imagining going back to earth to see Murph again. Like how dr. Mann was saying to Cooper the last thing he’s going to see before he dies is his children

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sweetdude53 t1_j1f271p wrote

But he left his kids to steal a spaceship at then end

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nivvera t1_j1fgicp wrote

He stuck around until his daughter passed then ditched the grandkids to go chase after some space poon.

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AholeBrock t1_j1f2bjo wrote

How else does one wrap up writing the story of a lifetime when they have run out of cocaine?

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nivvera t1_j1feumb wrote

Excuse me, sir, but professional writing is powered by Adderal these days.

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Tityfan808 t1_j1ewifj wrote

This oddity goes both ways. Oh, here’s a black hole ‘they’ opened up for us to reach further out into space. 🤷‍♂️

It’s weird, but I think a lot of the rest of the film makes up for it.

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jeansonnejordan t1_j1fsmzb wrote

The modern humans were completely hopeless on their own throughout the whole movie. They would have never made it out of the solar system without the wormhole. I think it’s a little unfair to say that the end is a lazy hand-wave because the entire plot was always based on a “miracle”

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Verbanoun t1_j1f30p5 wrote

It's been a long time since I saw the movie, but wasn't HE the other beings?

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nivvera t1_j1fgxgl wrote

It was only really hinted at but something created the wormhole that got everything rolling.

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BigMackWitSauce t1_j1er91a wrote

The future humans had such a mastery over physics and gravity that they were able to extract him and place him where he could be rescued

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KSRandom195 t1_j1etoa3 wrote

My favorite aspect of this is if the future humans hadn’t done what they did with Cooper then the future humans wouldn’t have existed.

It’s my favorite oddity in stories in time travel where someone had to develop time travel and go back in time and change something, in order for them to be able develop time travel.

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Ragnarok314159 t1_j1ex7ez wrote

Have you watched the show Dark? It is an excellent show on time travel, ending was amazing.

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nivvera t1_j1fk2ff wrote

I always have to just assume there was a small group of survivors that kicked things off.

If I get really creative maybe there was some kind of motive for it too. Future humanity is on the losing end of a war and the only way to win is by reaching back in time to try and create more survivors from the disaster on Earth so that the future will have a stronger position when the war starts. They can't directly send matter back in time but they can manipulate energy to open a wormhole...

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TaskForceCausality t1_j1erymd wrote

Clearly he was shunted through the wormhole back home , but exited at a time decades after he left Earth.

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meanbotanist t1_j1f01cx wrote

he went in the black hole. don't you know if you go in a black hole you will emerge unharmed and nearby others humans in the universe?? stupid...

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lilrabbitfoofoo t1_j1f5c47 wrote

Bad writing in a garbage script that for some reason a studio spent a lot of real money on...

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nine8whatwhat t1_j1ei0ki wrote

i feel like the movie took place in a day or two for cooper

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m31td0wn t1_j1en2f2 wrote

Oh no it was at least two years. It took them that long just to get from Earth to Saturn. And even though there were three planets within the system, it still is going to take time to travel between them. So probably closer to 4.

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Pac_Eddy t1_j1en3gt wrote

The entire movie? Feels like it was several months after they first went through the wormhole.

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nine8whatwhat t1_j1fynf0 wrote

i figured the wormhole was basically instant, but i did forget the initial traveling

besides when he's talking to his kids before they go to the water i dunno if it reaches a year, they say he's stopped responding can't remember when

time for rewatch

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Pac_Eddy t1_j1fz61y wrote

Might be my favorite movie. I just love it.

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Pac_Eddy t1_j1fzbel wrote

Might be my favorite movie. I just love it.

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TheDillestPickle2000 t1_j1eymn3 wrote

In the original screenplay, he gets stuck in space for hundreds of years

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Lance-Harper t1_j1fpxup wrote

But they’d relative to the rest of the universe. Op question is: whey would a clock on cooper’s wrist say from the moment he ignited the rocket to the moment he is picked up by the humans he saved

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lolsleepyboi t1_j1f0dyw wrote

The impression I was left with as a viewer was that it was probably like a few months-year? They don’t elaborate much about how long the trip to Saturn or the planet hopping took. But, if we assume that the endurance had some near future techie stuff like NERVA motors (plausible as the endurance didn’t have radiators or solar panels) and you sprinkle in some DV for the sake of narrative, probably significantly faster than any manned craft we have today, but certainly not relativistic. Then again, since the movie is about the relatively different experience of time for Murph and Cooper, it’s ultimately not very relevant to the story.

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Ill_Interaction6998 t1_j1ehvk6 wrote

He lived exactly as long as he felt. Time for him flowed by his biological clock. For the rest, he was certainly older, but relative to each of them.

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-DementedAvenger- t1_j1etdpq wrote

> Time for him flowed by his biological clock

Yes. This is OP’s question. The rest of your comment isn’t relevant.

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PachinkoGear t1_j1f3lts wrote

The best thing about the internet: we get to decide what's relevant, and be dismissive of everyone else when we decide we've had enough. It's really a win/win scenario!

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Ill_Interaction6998 t1_j1ez0ob wrote

Everything is relevant. Here, no tests are taken on the exam. Here is a discussion of issues. And every word has its own weight. If you have something to add on this post, then don't be shy. Express your opinion. If there's nothing to say, then keep quiet. Silence is gold.

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-DementedAvenger- t1_j1f0gt8 wrote

From your previous comment, exactly one of your three sentences was about OP’s question, and it still didn’t answer anything or add anything to the discussion.

>He lived exactly as long as he felt.

Wat? Irrelevant.

> Time for him flowed by his biological clock.

Certainly a weird way to describe it, but that’s kind of exactly what OP is asking. If Cooper was wearing a clock the whole time, how much time (relevant to only himself) had passed?

> For the rest, he was certainly older, but relative to each of them.

Again…wat? It may be a general statement about relativity in its own conversation, but it’s not directly relevant to OP’s question.

Your phrasing also suggests that English may not be your first language, or that you’re trying too hard to sound philosophical or something, so a bit of clarification may help get your point across if you intended your comment to answer OP’s question.

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oooortcloud t1_j1f26g4 wrote

You’re a controlling lil jagoff, aren’t you!

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-DementedAvenger- t1_j1f3d8n wrote

What am I controlling? I’m just trying to guide this other person back on topic to OP’s question?

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oooortcloud t1_j1f41qf wrote

You’re trying to control the content of someone else’s response by deeming half of it “irrelevant”. No one appointed you to this duty. You are not a moderator. You’re just attempting to exert control on Reddit, for whatever reason.

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DatGearScorTho t1_j1f7g0p wrote

Judging by the similar sentence structures and haughty tones of the replies I'd say you ran into someone with many accounts and lots of free time.

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PachinkoGear t1_j1f3x0u wrote

You're awfully judgy. Are we back to mistreating people who don't speak English as their first language? I fail to recognize how that's relevant other than, you know, racism.

In any case, we'll make sure to forward any future comments to you to proof. I'd hate to see something that you might take issue with. It's rather altruistic, really, how critical you are.

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-DementedAvenger- t1_j1f79kh wrote

That’s not how racism works. I’m certainly not that kind of person.

Pointing out that someone’s comment is confusing or potentially off-topic due to strange phrasing isn’t fucking racism. I’m not discriminating against them or saying their points are less important because of their language or nationality.

Their points are less important because they don’t appear to be helping OP’s question. Possibly due to phrasing confusion.

Language or nationality is irrelevant to OP, but I point it out because it’s relevant to them (the commenter) to help understand why I’m dismissing part of their comment. Answering a question in English that was asked in English requires language that is clear and concise to English speakers, so strange phrasing can be indicative of misunderstanding at a basic language level. That’s all I’m saying.

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Cheshire_Khajiit t1_j1f4spq wrote

You’re right, wouldn’t want to post replies that are irrelevant to the OP’s question. 🙄 /s

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-DementedAvenger- t1_j1f91rt wrote

You don’t appear to know how conversational threads work.

Top comment should usually be directly relevant to OP, and all child comments can be tangential.

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cjameshuff t1_j1f4njw wrote

Even if we had a way to mathematically model his path through a black hole, something that the current state of theory considers outright impossible, we wouldn't have any of the numbers needed to plug into it.

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Lance-Harper t1_j1fqibj wrote

Time to Saturn

  • time through WH
  • time to go from one planet to the other
  • time spent on each planet
  • time inside BH

Equates to both cooper’s biological clock and a watch on his wrist.

For the real world, we got data, for the part from WH to BH we got some data but not a lot.

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tejaskhetani OP t1_j1gfwcx wrote

Yes, exactly my point. If someone has calculated it, it would give great idea about general relativity that is experienced in space time difference.

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