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frodosbitch t1_j1ep56a wrote

Reply to comment by tejaskhetani in Interstellar movie —- Has anyone calculated how long did Cooper feel he lived in the space ? If there was a clock with calendar attached to his jacket , how much time would that watch show by the time he would have been retrieved ? by tejaskhetani

That part always bugged me as a bit Deus ex machina. The others brought him ‘out’ of a black hole (how does that even work?) and he was found with just minutes left of air. All offscreen and handled by a line of dialog. A little lazy just to help wrap the story up.

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squeevey t1_j1eq4o0 wrote

no one knows what happens inside a black hole. With that, it seems the writers chose to have Cooper basically end up OUTSIDE of time. Because the beings exist outside of time, the beings could reinsert him into time when/wherever.

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Explains_Wrong t1_j1ewksh wrote

Kip! Bring me my time thingy!

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igcipd t1_j1f1b2e wrote

Dammit Kif! Where's the little umbrella? That's what makes it scotch on the rocks!

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Lance-Harper t1_j1ey26f wrote

Precisely.

It is a bit deus ex machina. « A bit » because deus ex machina is an intervention suppose to solve the main plot whilst cooper’s life or death is secondary once he gave the data away.

But yeah, in short, beings able to place a wormhole leading to a black hole are powerful enough to place and replace a human being, that’s a fair assumption

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DeBlasioDeBlowMe t1_j1ez8ks wrote

Why wouldn’t they insert him shortly after he left then? To help move the data along, save thousands more lives, and see his family?? They wouldn’t even need to do the watch-data transfer. He could have brought it physically back.

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nivvera t1_j1fdpn9 wrote

Because the others enjoy a good plot.

Seriously, it may have been the closest time and place where he could've been rescued before his air ran out. It wasn't until later that a space station was near the wormhole.

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XxShArKbEaRxX t1_j1ez1sx wrote

Ok I was under the impression we are the beings

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zelenskyysballs t1_j1ezxjn wrote

Yeah, that was my takeaway as well

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No-Illustrator4964 t1_j1f05h8 wrote

Same, I feel like the movie deviated from the original script and the beings who were assisting were in fact future humans and not other than human persons.

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Lance-Harper t1_j1fp9t5 wrote

It is an open suestion:

  • if it’s future us, the story becomes a grandfather loophole
  • if not, it’s plain linear

But with what the movie gives us, it’s impossible to know

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kidcrumb t1_j1eze4f wrote

It's a place of immense gravity.

At the center of a black hole is some kind of singularity, but a person can't go through a Black Hole. You'd just be crushed into the space of an atom.

If you stepped onto a planet with 10000x Earth's gravity all of your bones would break and you'd fall down to the floor and be crushed. A black hole is like that except multiplied by infinity.

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SeraphSurfer t1_j1f1hcb wrote

"so you're saying I have a chance"

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kidcrumb t1_j1f1mpv wrote

In the off chance you have a device that allowed you to maintain your body mass and create a bubble of gravity around yourself....you'd still be too big to fit through the singularity.

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MrSpindles t1_j1f6ivm wrote

They could have sent him back to before he abandoned and completely ignored the existence of his son. My take on this film was that some kids get stuck with crap dads.

In my head his son is Judd Nelson's character in the breakfast club, a few years later.

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ramtax666 t1_j1ex3x1 wrote

Well the implied idea is that the "future humans" not aliens, are manipulate time space using gravity. So they use the black hole as a portal and a battery. And the fact that they put him back after 75 years (I believe) have passed in "normal time" suggest he spent like a few minutes in the black hole. I'm not gonna do the entire math, mostly because I don't remember the mass of the black hole. So basic they manipulate the gravity in the black hole to create a space were he could survive and interact with the universe at large in normal time.

This works because the time dilatation inside the black hole stretches back in history, so "deeper" you go further back in history you ca see, and send messages, at least in the movie, we don't have any idea it would be possible. So after he sent the message they created a wormhole to bring him out, but the trick is that they can only bring him back and in the normal time, unaffected by the black hole, so basic he travel in the future from his perspective. So in this regard they respect the general relativity.

Is pretty hard to imagine and explain how this works, is hard core physics and I'm not that good at it :))

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EvenBetterCool t1_j1etumr wrote

It is meant to make you think.

If the others are giving him information that came from him - the continuity is circular. There can be no which came first.

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VanSnugglepusstheIII t1_j1f27br wrote

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

If a civilization is advanced enough to manipulate black holes like they are tinker toys and are perceiving a dimension even one higher then the one we can their abilities would seem God like. Notice the capital G.

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RealCoolDad t1_j1epng1 wrote

I agree, saying 4D beings did it it’s a nuts story element.

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fman84 t1_j1eulwr wrote

4D beings would be outside of time and would not be perceived by us unless they choose to be. I've heard it described such that a 4D being is able to choose when in time it exists and would only be visible when we pass through that moment. It's a hard concept for us to understand much like timelessness or eternity. We live in an existence that is linear and finite. In my personal opinion I feel there is a lot to the universe that we simply cannot perceive due to our limitations. I also cannot prove the existence of 4D beings.

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RealCoolDad t1_j1ev7lo wrote

It’s an interesting idea but it’s really just jammed into interstellar to fix the ending and make it happy.

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fman84 t1_j1evh8u wrote

I can agree with you on that

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nivvera t1_j1ffzov wrote

I feel like it was sadder for him to come back when he did.

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1f4hz0 wrote

The Bulk Beings are 5-D, not just 4-D. They are so superior to time that they couldn’t even find a single point in time.

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fman84 t1_j1fa77z wrote

What are the bulk beings?

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1faias wrote

They’re the “future humans” of the movie. The super-advanced higher dimensional entities we see creating the wormhole and saving Cooper.

They got that name because of how they’re referred to when going through the wormhole.

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papajestify t1_j1eycuk wrote

So you’re okay with everything else that happens in the movie (wormhole dropped into the solar system, tesseract, relaying black hole quantum physics by watch hand, escaping black hole gravity near its event horizon, surviving 1,000 ft. Tidal wave, having a functional space craft after tumbling down a 1,000 ft tidal wave) the lot of it, but him being ejected into space, just-in-time style, just really sets you off? :) it’s a movie! It’s a great movie! Chew on the popped corn and enjoy the ride!

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Assaltwaffle t1_j1f3vsz wrote

The Bulk Beings were 5-D. I’m sure they could figure out how to get him out of a 3-D black hole. They made a whole sub-realm with the Tesseract in it after all.

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arcticblast29 t1_j1ezlm5 wrote

It’s up to u to decide what really happened imo. Either he was rescued by the others and everything that happened was real or he actually died when it collapsed and the rest is just him imagining going back to earth to see Murph again. Like how dr. Mann was saying to Cooper the last thing he’s going to see before he dies is his children

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sweetdude53 t1_j1f271p wrote

But he left his kids to steal a spaceship at then end

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nivvera t1_j1fgicp wrote

He stuck around until his daughter passed then ditched the grandkids to go chase after some space poon.

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AholeBrock t1_j1f2bjo wrote

How else does one wrap up writing the story of a lifetime when they have run out of cocaine?

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nivvera t1_j1feumb wrote

Excuse me, sir, but professional writing is powered by Adderal these days.

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Tityfan808 t1_j1ewifj wrote

This oddity goes both ways. Oh, here’s a black hole ‘they’ opened up for us to reach further out into space. 🤷‍♂️

It’s weird, but I think a lot of the rest of the film makes up for it.

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jeansonnejordan t1_j1fsmzb wrote

The modern humans were completely hopeless on their own throughout the whole movie. They would have never made it out of the solar system without the wormhole. I think it’s a little unfair to say that the end is a lazy hand-wave because the entire plot was always based on a “miracle”

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