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LordIlthari t1_j0fndfd wrote

Reply to comment by EarthSolar in We should dismantle Mars, not colonize it. by [deleted]

Why should we not prioritize the maximization of human flourishing? There is no logical reason to try and live on an irradiated toxic desert when we could simply use that desert as the raw materials to build ten thousand different paradises perfectly suited for human life?

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Hygro t1_j0fnoly wrote

You should get out into nature.

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LordIlthari t1_j0fnqdt wrote

Nature only exists on earth. There is no nature on Mars. It’s a dead rock.

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Hygro t1_j0fnz7f wrote

You really should get out into nature

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MaznikNebula t1_j0fuyji wrote

Bro if you never learned the meaning of ‘nature’ Oxford's and Cambridge's dictionary have good definitions.

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patrik3031 t1_j0fxqwy wrote

As a climber, my best times in nature were on dead rock. Valles marineris looks like a rad place to climbe tbh.

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LordIlthari t1_j0fxu1f wrote

Valid point. We’ll need to grab a highly detailed examination of it for later VR construction for such uses

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xtheory t1_j0fo089 wrote

And how do you propose that we dismantle it and plunder any resourced from there that we don't already have here and can procure at much less cost?

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Sleepdprived t1_j0fox1d wrote

People would have to go live there to set up the machines anyway... what would we call a distant territory controlled by a foreign state?

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LordIlthari t1_j0fohs5 wrote

Self replicating mining robots, likely clanking self-replicators, combined with low cost launch infrastructure such as orbital launch loops combined with skyhook satellites. This process would likely require several centuries but is theoretically feasible, and would be relatively easy to implant on Mars relative to the other rocky planets. Given Venus is the nearest thing known to Hell and Mercury isn’t much better.

As for resources, simply put the mass necessary to construct a Dyson Swarm and the fleets needed to colonize and dominate the galaxy isn’t going to be coming from earth unless we want to destroy our homeworld to do it. Considering earth is possibly the only planet in the universe humans can live on relatively easily, this is a bad idea.

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tms102 t1_j0fox7l wrote

Which scifi book/show are you currently reading/watching?

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LordIlthari t1_j0fp13p wrote

Scifi dreams too small.

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tms102 t1_j0fpr56 wrote

How do you figure? Every thing you posted and way beyond that has been in scifi already.

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xtheory t1_j0foz06 wrote

OK, but you do realize that even a 1% change of any center of gravity and orbit of any of the planets will cause a complete collapse of our entire solar system, right?

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EarthSolar t1_j0h3ei8 wrote

Because you don’t really need that many people? It’s possible to have trillions of people and leave all the planets minimally modified and here for future generations to study and play on. Terraforming is enough affront to these planets, dissembling them for a quintillion people who wouldn’t totally end up killing each other and destroy everything is just laughable. And this is coming from someone who works in a story where people routinely dissembles entire planetary systems.

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