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killstorm114573 t1_j14wez4 wrote

Reply to comment by GreatGearAmidAPizza in Could microscopic life evolve to become intelligent? by [deleted]

I don't know what's beyond the universe but if there's something or any life that can observe the universe as a whole, meaning look down on galaxies. Then I could argue that humans and earth would not appear intelligent from their perspective. We would seem to be no more important or intelligent than germs or bacteria and we definitely would seem to be a whole lot smaller if we're comparing size then bacteria would be compared to us.

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AuralSculpture t1_j14x2mc wrote

Anything observing us would be watching us billions of years in the past. Same as we are looking at space that is basically dead or long since changed because of the amount of time it takes light to travel. We are looking at phenomena that happens millions of years ago. So if anything is looking at us NOW, they are probably seeing something out of the Cambrian era. They aren’t seeing “us”. They are seeing a bunch of primitive life forms between huge insects and early dinosaurs.

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Westacious t1_j1512u1 wrote

I don't have anywhere near the understanding to accurately state what I'm about to type, but if an outside observer could actually view our universe they wouldn't necessarily need to observe using our laws and physics from the outside in right? If the beings were unfathomably enormous compared to our entire universe or are using some sort of device to observe the entire universe isn't it possible they could view the entirety of it at the same time? Like instead of looking down a tube from one side to the other it was flat or something

edit: grammar/clarity

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I_am_BrokenCog t1_j151w9p wrote

correct.

/u/AuralSculpture mistakenly presumed that his/our frame of reference (within our universe) is bound to the same rules as a different frame of reference outside the universe.

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bgplsa t1_j1544ea wrote

Stephen Hawking explains trying to describe what’s “outside” the universe or “before” the beginning of time as similar to trying to define what’s north of the North Pole. There’s just no reasonable way for our brains to express the idea of something that exists completely independent of any experience we could possibly imagine. So certainly it’s possible an infinite number of angels can dance on the head of a 5-dimensional pin but how would you count them 😉

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killstorm114573 t1_j1554rj wrote

The comment wasn't so much about seeing us directly it was more about perspective.

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