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Hot-News8042 t1_j291lu4 wrote

100% on point. And yes it is worrisome. We are more likely to have a dystopic future unless civil society or tech make megamonopolies less powerful.

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solidcordon t1_j292nu7 wrote

I prefer that someone makes space exploration / travel a reality than not.

I'm fairly convinced that Mr Musk is going through some sort of mid life crisis or breakdown. The rockets still fly though.

He's said he wants to die on Mars. If he can manage that trick then people will live on Mars. If only to provide funeral services.

The twitter nonsense won't impact SpaceX very much because SpaceX is providing services to the US government.

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MadMadBunny t1_j292rbc wrote

Yes. They had everything to advance humanity. They chose to become Space Karens.

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zugi t1_j294l7j wrote

Unpopular 2022 Musk is the same Musk that led Space X from its founding to its current role of revolutionizing access to space, and was quite popular until a year or three ago. And yes, he accomplished that by hiring a bunch of ridiculously smart people, motivating them to work hard and succeed, and taking risks that the entrenched players wouldn't take. I'm not worried one bit about Space X continuing to do more of what it's done so far. Sure, I do wish other competitors would step up, but so for no one else has. The entrenched bureaucracies like NASA and Boeing/Lockheed have proven unable to innovate. The other upstarts have overly modest goals like 6-minute entertainment rides.

If Bezos really wants to revolutionize space, the best thing he could do is probably to just buy Twitter from Musk and immediately ban Musk from it. Maybe then Musk would get back to focusing on space.

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downvotemeplss t1_j294owf wrote

Space X is going to accomplish far less in space exploration than was promised. Mars 2023, right? Knew that was bullshit when he promised it back in 2020

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Noehk t1_j2955gd wrote

As opposed to the people leading us politically, socially, economically, morally, philosophically?

I'm not American and my comment is not whataboutism, rather I think your post is indicative of a certain political and social spectrum that lacks a balanced perspective; you clearly have a viewpoint that is very much at odds with Elon and as such you feel threatened by what you characterize as a "a Facebook right-wing shitposter is now at the head of one of the most significant private space corporations of this generation?" yet you seem to forget that that private space corporation is owned by HIM as a private institution, it's not as if someone elected him to be in charge of, say, NASA or ESA and is therefore a public servant you can set expectation on job delivery.

You dislike him, his viewpoints and goals? Fine, make your own private space corporation or support another company who shares your point of view. Easy.

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imzelda t1_j295d3y wrote

I’m deeply concerned about billionaires running anything at all that affects us, the earth, or the future.

They don’t even want peace for themselves. I don’t understand why they don’t go live their luxurious lives on an island somewhere and be happy. If they donated the majority of their wealth to help people or the planet, they would be heroes in history and STILL couldn’t spend all the money they have left in their lifetime or their children’s. What do they want?

It’s honestly so creepy.

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RappingScientist t1_j295uwb wrote

He’s the exact same person he’s always been , not sure what exactly you think has been different in regards to how he runs his companies. Spacex had 61 launches this year and an incredibly successful/ productive year. Try not to be a doomer.

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New_Stats t1_j295vq4 wrote

I mean NASA was filled with literal Nazis after WWII so...

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PM_ME_A_PLANE_TICKET t1_j296xsv wrote

Replying to thruster_fuel69 (#1,183,613)

lol ok and in the mean time we just tell everyone to leave us alone because we're going through something right now?

You can't just go "oop halved the defense budget, hope that doesn't cause any national security problems over the next be 20 years."

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smurfherder1 t1_j2971ad wrote

Great people are very infrequently good people. If you look at any major business leader from the past century that revolutionised their area such as Henry Ford for cars, the Robber barons for oil etc, or Howard Hughes in later life for aircraft they all changed the world we lived for the better but you probably wouldn't invite them round for dinner or agree with most of their views but stuff seemed to turn out all right.

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Muninwing t1_j2975yb wrote

Replying to zugi (#1,183,288)

Counterpoint: musk has always been like this… but that’s not why he has been successful.

Money. That’s it. He has money. So he launched a pet project… and hired committed, intelligent people to work there. But listen to accounts of his “management style” — at SpaceX, they had to devote resources to managing him and distracting him from undermining their work.

Billionaires are more predatory, more selfish, and better funded than other people. Not smarter, more skilled, or somehow better people.

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PM_ME_A_PLANE_TICKET t1_j298i8c wrote

Replying to thruster_fuel69 (#1,184,022)

I'm not sure if you're aware, but the current education budget is like 75 billion and the current military budget is like 750 billion.

You just wanna equalize those? just... 2023 education budget 400 billion, 2023 military budget 400 billion?

you think that's a good idea?

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thruster_fuel69 t1_j298oig wrote

Replying to enfersijesais (#1,184,249)

Man you're a prime example. It makes your country better at defending itself and it's values, with less collateral damage, creating less terrorists. Idk why it's not obvious that most of the damage is ignorance and fear compounded into rage.

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zugi t1_j299wea wrote

Replying to Muninwing (#1,183,946)

Counter counterpoint: Bezos has money and got only silly toys at the edge of space. Branson has money and got nowhere too. NASA has money - billions in tax dollars - yet they can't build anything without spreading the work across 50 states and 100 different contractors. Until they changed their contracting method to contract types that Space X could bid on and win, which was smart on their part.

Sure, having a bunch of money is important - getting into the space business requires a lot of startup capital. But even with money, most ventures fail, yet Musk succeeded. I just think it's strange the lengths that 2022 redditors are willing to go to deny Musk any credit at all for Tesla, Space X, Starlink, etc. But regardless of credit, Space X is revolutionizing access to space, and that's a great thing.

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PM_ME_A_PLANE_TICKET t1_j29b1m0 wrote

Replying to thruster_fuel69 (#1,184,406)

lol ok, say goodbye to NASA, that's just gone entirely...

We won't be able to afford any R&D, so we'll be stuck with the current level of technology for the rest of ever, provided we can even maintain what we have.

No new military vehicles of any kind can be made.

In fact, nothing at all will be done, because the entire defense budget will be spent on operations and maintenance, and personnel/retirement.

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enfersijesais t1_j29c52f wrote

Replying to thruster_fuel69 (#1,184,807)

You know, you're not being very nice. I'm already pretty dumb, and now I feel threatened to boot. You could turn me into a terrorist. ^((/s reddit mod, you warned me for some bullshit the other day. cool your jets.)) I think you should educate yourself to better interact with imbeciles like me. Just think about it. You'd be lowering the military budget too.

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Specialist-Look-7929 t1_j29kry9 wrote

I am not concerned with it. I am just waiting to see humans land on anything outside LEO in my lifetime. I, personally, don't think we are currently capable of it and never were. I know you will all downvote me, and think I'm am idiot, but somehow we managed to land on the moon in the 60s and broadcast to the entire world from space, through radiation belts, but I can't get a cell signal 20 miles outside of a big city. Let alone same TV channel 80 miles out! Seems sus to me. Why haven't we been back to the moon since the 60s? My guess is that we never did go because we can't traverse the Van Allen Belt.

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