0XKINET1 t1_iy3nyv4 wrote
It's gases would expand. If it had 2x mass however there may be changes to SOL Systems...
ExtonGuy t1_iy3og98 wrote
I think the extra mass = more gravity = Jupiter shrinks.
The changes to the other planets would be very minor. How much do you really think that Jupiter has on the orbit of Mars, or Earth?
Existing-Anything-34 t1_iy3os1c wrote
Isaac Newton is very disappointed in you.
ExtonGuy t1_iy3xbxl wrote
I think old Isaac would appreciate my understanding of how gases compress under pressure.
Existing-Anything-34 t1_iy400cy wrote
But not your understanding of additional mass within planetary systems.
0XKINET1 t1_iy3ox0u wrote
I think more mass means bigger object that can interfere more with nearby asteroid belt, Jupiter moons, Saturn moons and Mars orbit around SOL. In short stuff of lesser mass nearby Jupiter may start moving towards Jupiter. Just as current Jupiter mass attracts comets and asteroids and possible moonlets.
ExtonGuy t1_iy3uzos wrote
No, bigger doesn't mean more interference. The size of Jupiter is trivial compared with the distance to asteroids. More mass is what does it, not just more size.
And I'm sticking to my statement that with more mass, Jupiter would shrink. At least until it starts nuclear fusion, at about 80X current mass.
Astromike23 t1_iy92xpc wrote
> I'm sticking to my statement that with more mass, Jupiter would shrink.
You're almost right.
As you add mass to Jupiter, its diameter increases up until a mass of 3 x Jupiter, after which point the diameter starts to shrink because of the sheer amount of degenerate matter at the core.
Degenerate matter is weird stuff, a macro-scale substance only made possible by some obscure rules quantum physics. Prime among these rules is the Pauli Exclusion Principle, which states that, "no two electrons can exist in the same quantum state at the same time." Thing is, a quantum state is more than just position - it also includes momentum. You can have two electrons occupy the same position at the same time, so long as they're moving at different speeds through each other.
The above mechanism produces a very non-intuitive quality: the more material you add to an electron degenerate body, the smaller it gets in size, as electrons are forced to move faster and faster in speed. Counterintuitively, if you had an electron degenerate bookshelf, you'd have more room the more books you added.
Not only is this the case for really massive planets, but also brown dwarfs: the more massive it is, the smaller the radius.
Source: did my PhD researching Jupiter.
ExtonGuy t1_iy9n0z9 wrote
A real expert on Reddit? That’s a rare thing. Q: if the added mass was solid iron or silicon, so that it would sink to the core, I understand that the solid core would grow. But would the outer gassy layers also grow?
Astromike23 t1_iye1tyo wrote
> if the added mass was solid iron or silicon, so that it would sink to the core, I understand that the solid core would grow. But would the outer gassy layers also grow?
That depends sensitively on "how much" and "what kind of stuff"...but generally electron degeneracy is electron degeneracy. You can't pack too much stuff too tightly or it goes degenerate, and starts expanding outwards into momentum space while shrinking in position space.
The resulting outer gassy layers are tricky, but there's a closely analogous phenomenon in stars: as an old main sequence star fuses up all the hydrogen at its core, it leaves behind a ball of helium "ash" that collapses under its own weight, supported only by electron degeneracy pressure. The central density in our Sun is already very high, about 160x greater than water, but this helium ash ball is closer to 16,000x denser than water. If you could stand on this ball, it would have enormous surface gravity - also meaning fresh hydrogen in a shell surrounding the degenerate helium ball is compressed, and fusion proceeds much more rapidly, expanding the outer layers into a red giant.
In the case of Jupiter, it's still a long way from the pressures / temperatures needed for any fusion, so the gassy layers would just get compressed by the increased density of a more massive, more degenerate core...and that's about it.
ExtonGuy t1_iy3x3ms wrote
If Jupiter was 10X more massive, the near-by asteroids would change their orbit by less than 0.5 AU. They are already at least 4.2 AU from Jupiter. Earth's orbit would change by less than 0.05 AU, but that's still a huge impact on the seasons.
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