"Juvenile name"... I'll have you know that this is a very serious medical condition that millions of people suffer from and it affects their lives in a way you cannot possibly imagine you inconsiderate jerk. Where you see a "juvenile name", in reality there is only a cry for help.

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I mean, first edition of Chamber of Secrets was 251 pages. So your comment doesn’t necessarily contradict the person above you

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Highly trained pilots are still subject to the same cognitive biases that most folks are. The important thing is whether or not the claims are evaluated rigorously and scientifically. And every single time that the due diligence is put into these claims the result is that the "UFO" is identified as very likely something else such as a balloon or another plane.

This alone is a problem because it completely inverts the burden of proof. The burden should be that the very first step is to put in the rigorous work to identify anything it might be that is a mundane explanation, and only then to put together a strong case of positive evidence that there is something odd and unexplainable going on. However, that's not the way these things have been going. Instead the typically pattern is a half-assed investigation at the level of "I dunno, it looks weird" followed by jumping to the conclusion that something that "looks weird" must be an alien spaceship or a classified spy plane or something. And so instead it falls to a small group of amateurs to actually put in the work and then they'll come back and say "oh yeah, this is actually a video of another plane, and here's the exact plane it was", which is an unreasonable level of burden for them, but that's the sorry state things are in because so many people are so biased toward wanting to believe these things are alien spacecraft.

"Highly trained, highly educated" does not prevent someone from experiencing the human condition. I've seen people, who are celebrated experts in their field, say stupid stuff a ton of times.

For instance, my cousin is an A-10 pilot, he also believes Tr*mp won the 2020 election.

You can be highly trained and highly educated and still be a looney toon.

See: Ben "the pyramids are grain silos" Carson

I’m in agreement with you, the past 4 years have seen a sea change in how the topic is being viewed/discussed and I can assure you, regardless of what our government/military agencies say, the do know more than they are letting on/revealing and there absolutely is more evidence than what has been revealed thus far.

They are taking this seriously despite what is revealed in public and to think otherwise is delusional. As you said, there are too many reports/testimony from highly credible witnesses to ignore. Also to use a straw man argument like 1 in 5 people claim they’ve seen a ghost again doesn’t address the issue at hand.

We’re at a point now where the issue isn’t if these things aren’t real, the US government says they are, the issue is what are they… I prefer to contribute to the discussion by adding to the effort of finding out, not dismissing reality outright. Something is going on, period. What it is is the part that everyone should be excited about, especially regular visitors/members of a space subreddit lol

woman astronauts ride 20 hours wearing a diaper to threaten with a gun a love rival.

> Some of these guys are highly trained, highly educated

That has a value of exactly zero to the scientific method. Eye witness testimony is unreliable regardless of whose testimony it is. That's science 101.

No, a virologist will be able to explain to me what we're seeing on the screen without audio. They'll be able to point to parts of the virus and explain what what we're seeing here is important because blah blah blah.

The problem with the tic tac videos is all that the "virologist" (or NASA expert) would be able to talk about in this case, is what people on the audio are saying, which means you have to trust that they're 1) right and 2) honest.

Again, there is nothing special about the videos if you mute them. That is a huge red flag for skeptics. I can only assume that the lack of more compelling evidence only strengthens the skepticism considering their would be mountains of data to support what these people are seeing.

It includes a meteorologist who was confirming things on his radar. Very interesting.

Tic-tacs have not been observed moving "beyond the capacity of modern engineering". Many, many tic-tacs have been tracked to being planes.

And yes, you point out the problem here. Air traffic is highly controlled, and planes are tracked. But the vast, vast majority of "UFO research" does not even bother trying to identify whether or not a "tic-tac observation" is in fact simply another plane. There is a substantial lack of due diligence in the whole affair. It very much is little better than "looks weird, must be aliens". And then on top of that is bad math, just as you've described, which leads people further down the rabbit hole.

Here's the punchline. If there was legitimate strong evidence for "unidentified aerial phenomena" that represented proof of vehicles operating beyond the capacity of modern engineering or our understanding of physics then that evidence could be published in peer reviewed journals. But it's not, and the major reason that it's not is because universally this "research" represents folks not doing their homework. If you are sloppy and you're not doing your due diligence then of course it is easy to come up with outlandish numbers and an absence of conventional explanations. If you don't bother doing the leg work to track down conventional explanations then they won't bother to get in the way of your extraordinary claims, but that doesn't make those claims justified.

This is the problem, almost no one is doing the work rigorously, and when it does get done and something that UFO enthusiasts have been pushing as "unexplainable" is explained the result is that there is no publicity for that explanation. Even more crucially the UFO enthusiast community does not use that as an opportunity to revisit their assumptions and the level of rigor they need to put into such investigations, instead they just sweep it under the rug and say "well, what about THESE observations?!?!" with another pile of videos that have received the same half-assed level of "investigation" and show nothing new or interesting.

"Tic-tacs" are the perfect example here because you would think that after the first handful of "we think this thing that looks like a tic-tac is an alien spaceship" videos were shown to be just regular jet aircraft viewed at great distance (often identifying the exact plane being viewed) that people would then start understanding that when you see something that looks like a "tic-tac" in the sky it is probably just another plane because that's what planes look like. Instead it has not caused that level of rethinking because UFO enthusiasts generally lack any hint of introspection or ability to follow logic.

Ok, so what would you say IS truly happening in regards to military and service member reports of these objects. The recent USS Nimitz incident involving the tic tac is a perfect example of a multiple trained and credible observer witness report, corroborating radar, satellite, and gun camera data… this is still a “claim” for you? That’s bullshit and you know it. There’s no moving the goalposts here. The Nimitz incident isn’t the only one like it as well.

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Why would anything about them have to be biological? We’ve sent dozens of unmanned probes across the solar system. When we find something interesting we send more probes there.

What if say 3 million years ago (or 300million for that matter) an unmanned probe didn’t find life here, and then a few centuries later a larger set of unmanned probes were sent here, which have been chilling every sense?

It wouldn’t require the instruments not working correctly