rocketsocks t1_it8x58w wrote
Reply to comment by ryanq99 in NASA Announces Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Study Team Members. The nine-month study will begin on Oct 24. by ICumCoffee
Tic-tacs are planes, obviously, I don't know why it's even a question. When you view a large plane from afar you tend to see only the fuselage while the rudder is typically much less visible and the wings are often so dark they blend into the background at most viewing angles, the result is a "tic-tac". This is because the fuselage is a cylinder so there is almost always a portion of the cylinder which is at the right angle relative to the Sun to appear bright, while the wings and rudder are most visible only at specific angles relative to the Sun and specific viewing angles. There are countless examples of "tic-tac UFO" videos that have been identified to not just be planes but where the exact flight and plane has been identified.
ryanq99 t1_it8y1i6 wrote
Air traffic is tightly controlled. There aren’t just rogue planes unmarked flying around. The tic-tacs have been observed to move beyond the capacity of modern engineering or understanding of physics.
They are 100% not planes. Are they aliens? Probably not, but it’s not nothing.
rocketsocks t1_it904vj wrote
Tic-tacs have not been observed moving "beyond the capacity of modern engineering". Many, many tic-tacs have been tracked to being planes.
And yes, you point out the problem here. Air traffic is highly controlled, and planes are tracked. But the vast, vast majority of "UFO research" does not even bother trying to identify whether or not a "tic-tac observation" is in fact simply another plane. There is a substantial lack of due diligence in the whole affair. It very much is little better than "looks weird, must be aliens". And then on top of that is bad math, just as you've described, which leads people further down the rabbit hole.
Here's the punchline. If there was legitimate strong evidence for "unidentified aerial phenomena" that represented proof of vehicles operating beyond the capacity of modern engineering or our understanding of physics then that evidence could be published in peer reviewed journals. But it's not, and the major reason that it's not is because universally this "research" represents folks not doing their homework. If you are sloppy and you're not doing your due diligence then of course it is easy to come up with outlandish numbers and an absence of conventional explanations. If you don't bother doing the leg work to track down conventional explanations then they won't bother to get in the way of your extraordinary claims, but that doesn't make those claims justified.
This is the problem, almost no one is doing the work rigorously, and when it does get done and something that UFO enthusiasts have been pushing as "unexplainable" is explained the result is that there is no publicity for that explanation. Even more crucially the UFO enthusiast community does not use that as an opportunity to revisit their assumptions and the level of rigor they need to put into such investigations, instead they just sweep it under the rug and say "well, what about THESE observations?!?!" with another pile of videos that have received the same half-assed level of "investigation" and show nothing new or interesting.
"Tic-tacs" are the perfect example here because you would think that after the first handful of "we think this thing that looks like a tic-tac is an alien spaceship" videos were shown to be just regular jet aircraft viewed at great distance (often identifying the exact plane being viewed) that people would then start understanding that when you see something that looks like a "tic-tac" in the sky it is probably just another plane because that's what planes look like. Instead it has not caused that level of rethinking because UFO enthusiasts generally lack any hint of introspection or ability to follow logic.
ryanq99 t1_it913tn wrote
Im just advocating an open mind. I would have said the exact same thing as you. Just flat-out refusing to consider it gets us nowhere. There are phenomenon happening we do not understand, its hard to deny that.
Have you listened to David Fravor and his groups' witness accounts? Like really dig in. Don't just go in trying to find things to disagree with. Actually consider what they might be saying could be true.
unimpressivewang t1_it92nbn wrote
I agree with pretty much everything you’re saying here. But it’s not just a random report here or there, the whole thing here is a specific set of relatively recent observations by navy pilots and communications/radar operators
The guys in the Nimitz flight group near Norfolk were seeing these things nearly every day
Same thing with another group in San Diego
They could be full of shit for one reason or another, but the “tic tac thing” is more than just those couple videos
raresaturn t1_itfxwwf wrote
Magical planes without wings
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