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rostov007 t1_jdgby4f wrote

I saw the Starliner trainer during tests at Johnson SC during a tour and Boeing was flipping their shit about us being there. Unnaturally skittish and secretive for a project that is over budget, long-delayed, and rife with issues.

I mean, thanks for Apollo but don’t act like you’ve discovered perpetual motion or anything, jeez.

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iliketurbomachinery t1_jdggdtz wrote

boeing is a trash tier company, this is nothing new for them. i’ve got lots of stories about their idiocy (both on purpose and through sheer stupidity)

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AdolescenceOfP1 t1_jdhdpyz wrote

> Unnaturally skittish and secretive for a project that is over budget, long-delayed, and rife with issues.

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Skittish + Secretive has nothing to do with over budget, delayed, and issue ridden. All government contractors are like that, and probably for good reason. I was contracted out to Raytheon and Mitre decades ago, and they're wall-to-wall uptight about who is where. Their default stance is to keep things carefully under wraps....it's how they're trained, and it makes sense given the kinds of things they work on.

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wanabeagirl t1_jdi42jd wrote

Meanwhile, SpaceX started building Starship in a bunch of tents next to a road where lots of people stop to take photographs, and over which people fly all the time to take photographs.

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AdolescenceOfP1 t1_jdi9rhn wrote

That's assembly. Rostov007 was talking about testing. Besides, SpaceX doesn't have a sliver of the government contracts that Boeing does, and certainly less than a sliver of its history. How much of SpaceX are miltary contracts? Boeing does a huge amount.

Anyway, enough of this. Unsubscribing. There's a weird kneejerk positive reaction to SpaceX and similarly weird kneejerk negative reaction to other companies (and NASA) that I'm not willing to engage right now.

Unsubscribing.

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wanabeagirl t1_jdidggx wrote

> That's assembly. Rostov007 was talking about testing.

Oh cut the crap. Cameras are constantly filming the Starship tests and do you have any idea how many cameras are pointed at their McGregor test site?

> Besides, SpaceX doesn't have a sliver of the government contracts that Boeing does

SpaceX actually has about the same number of government launch contracts as Boeing does (assuming you include ULA) so I'm not sure what your point is here.

> and certainly less than a sliver of its history.

That's true. SpaceX doesn't have nearly as many failures in their history as Boeing does :)

Seriously though, wtf does this have to do with anything?

> How much of SpaceX are miltary contracts? Boeing does a huge amount.

SpaceX has more military launch contracts that Boeing does since Boeing has precisely zero so what's your point?

> Anyway, enough of this. Unsubscribing. There's a weird kneejerk positive reaction to SpaceX and similarly weird kneejerk negative reaction to other companies (and NASA) that I'm not willing to engage right now.

Oh please. Boeing has been one failure after another since the MD merger. SLS is ludicrously over-budget. 787 deliveries are suspended again. The 737 Max fiasco. Starliner is a joke.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep defending a company that keeps failing, but that's something you need to figure out for yourself.

And if you want to unsubscribe, the button is over on the right :)

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rostov007 t1_jdhmvgt wrote

> Skittish + Secretive has nothing to do with over budget, delayed, and issue ridden.

I know what you’re saying but my point is, if they had the secret sauce, protecting it makes a lot of sense.

They can’t get anything right so what are they protecting?

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AdolescenceOfP1 t1_jdhphjz wrote

>They can’t get anything right so what are they protecting?

Obvious overstatement on that last sentence...I'll not even address that part further.

But as a government (space, defense) contractor, they have to have a default stance regarding IP. How do they know ahead of time what part of any project will be critical to keep secret? They don't.

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rostov007 t1_jdhqeij wrote

> Obvious overstatement on that last sentence…I’ll not even address that part further.

That’s hyperbole to you pal. /s

As for the rest of your response, I should state again that I was on a public vip tour. How much can I glean from standing next to it that Space X or any other competitor couldn’t get from available photos? Or for that matter, couldn’t a Space X employee just take a public tour and steal all their IP? It’s nonsensical.

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AdolescenceOfP1 t1_jdi70tk wrote

I don't think you fully grasp what can happen when you're lax with things. And the only way to not be lax with things is to make rules that apply broadly.

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