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ferrel_hadley t1_jdc7tid wrote

Reply to comment by TheCriticalAmerican in US tech rules bar UAE moon rover from China’s Chang’e 7 mission by weinsteinjin

>My guess

Why should we pay attention to your guesses? Are you an expert on UAE space projects?

>I think a lot of countries are getting tired of being subject long arm jurisdiction of the US. UAE can't even develop its own space program without approval of the US.

They built a rover using ITAR parts because they are the cheapest and the most widely bought. They have been launched towards the Moon on a SpaceX flight using a Japanese lander.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/12/hakuto-r-m1/

You appear high on opinion and low on information.

If you buy components from a country you are subject to their export controls. Its hardly rocket science.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdc8vi8 wrote

Well, I clearly hit a nerve.

> If you buy components from a country you are subject to their export controls. Its hardly rocket science.

Correct. That’s disappointing, though. It limits the abilities of countries to develop their own space industries and prohibits international collaboration. It’s disappointing.

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ferrel_hadley t1_jdc9x28 wrote

>That’s disappointing, though. It limits the abilities of countries to develop their own space industries

So basically you are braying like a donkey about nothing. Every developer of advanced technologies has laws on re-export.

>prohibits international collaboration.

China steal technology relentlessly. They stole US technology to use on their nuclear ICBMs. This is why there is such rules to try to limit their thieving. (The Wolf Amendment)

I understand that to people like you, every piece of intellectual property in the world belongs to the CCP. The UAE entered into a legal agreement it understood to buy components for its missions. It is not being "unfairly restricted". Now your greed is driving you be angry that you cannot get your hands on those components to steal the IP from.

They can buy the components China already stole from others. :)

Have a nice day.

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Analyst7 t1_jdcokwq wrote

Well said very valid points. However your opponent is likely being paid to have this fight. Still thanks for your efforts.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdcbz1p wrote

I’m just disappointed that we can’t all work together for a shared future for mankind and are still stuck on militarization and threatening to destroy ourself.

I have no idea what your point is. I’d rather live in a world with completely open access to information and technology so the best and brightest can work together and forge a prosperous future for mankind.

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Analyst7 t1_jdcp2w4 wrote

>completely open access to information

Such as the CCP's "Great Firewall"

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdcr58v wrote

Access to Facebook and social media is the same thing as access to Science and technology. Yes. Absolutely.

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ferrel_hadley t1_jdcd237 wrote

>I’m just disappointed that we can’t all work together for a shared future

Id say stealing technology to use for weapons of mass destruction is kind of an acceptable reason to block people from technology access.

>I have no idea what your point is.

Then your opinions can be dismissed.

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CRCLLC t1_jdloqf3 wrote

only in america.. I’m so thankful Morris Chang left this so-called leader country and founded TSMC. I’m so grateful we sold zip ties bought at Walmart for $5, to be sold for $800.. to go from 40% production to 10%.. just to listen to you speak cry baby..

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fencethe900th t1_jdccuum wrote

If they buy components from the US, they're not entirely developing their own program. If they're developing their own program and being self sufficient then these rules don't apply to them. And the only reason they're being restricted is because of international collaboration. And it only blocks China out of the main space faring countries. Europe is free to collaborate with even under ITAR. It's reasonable.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdcd9q9 wrote

> Europe is free to collaborate with even under ITAR. It's reasonable.

It’s only reasonable if you agree that certain countries (China) should be barred and not others. I don’t think any country should be barred. I’m against export controls of any kind. Technology and innovation should be for for humanities shared progress and not used as tools for political aims or goals.

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fencethe900th t1_jdcu1dp wrote

Yes, they should be used for humanity. However, as those countries have already shown they won't necessarily use it for humanity's best interest, that should align with your reasoning that they're on the list.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdcyaoy wrote

By this logic, no scientific research should take place for fear it could be used for military applications. The issue isn’t one particular country - all countries use scientific research to further their military and geopolitical aims.

What I’m saying is humanity is the issue and until we look beyond an ‘Us Vs. Them’ mentality we’ll always been a stone throws away from destroying ourselves.

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TheGreatestOutdoorz t1_jde5xx4 wrote

What a ridiculous comparison. If a person who murdered their last 10 neighbors moves in next door, you have a reasonable fear that they will murder you and if you have an ounce of logical, you will take precautions against that happening. If a random person, who has never murdered someone, moves in, it would be silly to fear being murdered by them.

You are saying that the person with the neighbor murderer next door is as unreasonable as the person who is paranoid for no reason.

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stevesbetting t1_jderu3c wrote

He's saying that a serial killer is worried about another serial killer that has moved next door.

In much of the world, the US is the devil for pretty legit reasons.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdf9ooa wrote

Honestly, yeah. That's a great example. The issue I have is that people start trying to justify the actions of the serial killer they are friendly with and start trying to argue which one is worse.

How about we take a minute to stop and reflect that they both are serial killers and have done terrible awful things and let's move forward trying to not kill each other? Idealistic sure, but a better step in the right direction.

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TheGreatestOutdoorz t1_jde684q wrote

Also, if you want to pretend to be an American, you probably should erase your post history which is literally nothing but pro-China propaganda. lol.

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TheCriticalAmerican t1_jdfable wrote

So, the way you justify your own perspective is to dismiss everything I say on the grounds that 'This person who thinks differently than me clearly couldn't be an American because it's impossible for any American to think like that!'

Talk about being brainwashed.... The idea that you refuse to entertain the idea that Americans could see evil in their own government and refuse to support its actions speaks more to your propagandized and brainwashed ideology rooted in imperialist hegemony than anything moral or grandiose.

Anyways.... Enjoy your collapsing empire, bank failures, and inflation. I'll continue to live in the happiest country in the world. Cheers, mate!

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TheGreatestOutdoorz t1_jdglfz0 wrote

Dude, your the one who created a Reddit account and spend every second spewing pro CCP propaganda, with a username that tries to make you look like an American so people will think you are an American talking BAD about the US. I come on here and discuss a ton of things. Sometimes I’m critical of my government (which you can’t be in China), and I also give my government credit for the many things they deserve.

As for collapsing empires. 1) we don’t have an empire, we have a country. It’s pretty telling that you still look at things on terms of “empires”, because your country wants so much to be one, which is disgusting. 2) your country has hundreds of billions of dollars that have evaporated when you overextended the construction sector, then the economy slowed and demand for new construction dried up. Your biggest(maybe second biggest) sector is hemorrhaging money with literal zero return, as large swaths of buildings lay half finished, unoccupied and worthless.

The funny thing is that I spend a decent amount of time in China, and have also travelled there for leisure (learned mandarin in HS and college), and the wonderful people I have met there are almost all down to earth and realistic about their shitty government. It’s only online that I find you totally brainwashed nutters. I mean, think about it- you spend hours a day shilling for Winnie the Pooh. What’s that say about your life?

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fencethe900th t1_jddhkbs wrote

And what I'm saying is that china has shown multiple times that they do not care about others. They had yet another rocket re-enter uncontrolled over a populated region. They are the embodiment of the us vs them mentality.

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TheGreatestOutdoorz t1_jde63gh wrote

Look at his post history. This guy is about as American as chairman Mao.

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fencethe900th t1_jdexin6 wrote

So he is. I usually don't check that but I'd guess he's only saying what he is because it's China that's being primarily effected here and he doesn't want to admit they're not a very nice country, government-wise.

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