crua9 t1_j52s5qu wrote on January 20, 2023 at 12:12 AM

IMO the problem with UBI will always be how is it paid for. I think when this gets a solid answer it will be near impossible to stop it.

But what I assume will happen in places like in the USA is something like stim checks will come back, and it will be a regular thing. Then it will be an expected thing in the law.

Like I think when AI hardcore starts taking over jobs. We will see regulation against AI, but that is likely to go no where but maybe hold things back for a short bit. But then some type of stim checks for the massive unemployment or under paid people

RavenWolf1 t1_j52x5cf wrote on January 20, 2023 at 12:47 AM

Whole question about how we pay UBI is really funny if you think about it. How do we feed our people currently? All that wealth is somewhere already because we are not dead and starving. When robots come and take our jobs how does it change the fact that we can now feed people? It doesn't actually, we have even more capabilities to feed people. Only thing which is problem here is our broken economic system. Nothing more.

crua9 t1_j53cl5f wrote on January 20, 2023 at 2:39 AM

>How do we feed our people currently?

Currently? Farmer farms for money, it does the thing where it goes to the store where money exchanges hands a dozen times, and then people buy the food.

>When robots come and take our jobs how does it change the fact that we can now feed people?

You're forgetting a transition between then and now specifically between now and when the unemployment so bad that it has to be recognized and the current numbers are not used with the unemployment benefit system.

It's extremely easy to hear and see stories of homeless and others going through trashcan to find food to stay alive. For homeless to die for being sick and having no money to get treatment. And so on.

Like you can pretend that things are Utopia right now and everybody is going to bed with a full belly. But in reality many aren't. To the point that some people are eating crackers just to have enough money to feed their kids something proper. And this is the USA.

So the between your Utopia where money is not really a thing and now. How do people survive and how does ubi get paid for? Robots taking over will not happen overnight. There is likely going to be many problems on the way. It could be so bad that it takes several generations before what you're talking about is realistic.