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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4sgkg1 wrote

I don't understand why this is so contentious, it's not like the people falling in love with AI are going to be missed from the sexual market. They're getting cause and effect backwards here.

I'm going to break with common sentiment here and say humans both deserve and need to know what it feels like to fall in love. In that vein I see AI waifus as a potentially viable therapy.

Even if we achieve full cognitive and morphological freedom, so no one is barred from mating by physical deformity or neurodivergence, some people might still choose not to change or partake at all. And that's valid too.

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giveuporfindaway t1_j4tlr4y wrote

>I don't understand why this is so contentious, it's not like the people falling in love with AI are going to be missed from the sexual market. They're getting cause and effect backwards here.

This. A large (growing) segment of people are treated like human wallpaper. They are invisible to everyone. If they die nobody will ever know they were even here. They have not existed on anyones radar for decades. Yet suddenly there's a concern that these same people are giving up a life time of casonova dating opportunities?

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KSRandom195 t1_j4ux76s wrote

The real concern is probably the expectations that get set. If “the average woman considers 80% of men below average” then 30% of women won’t find a man up to her standards and will have to lower their expectations if they want a partner. If an AI is considered at least average, that lowering of expectations doesn’t occur as the AI can fill that gap.

And of course, Futurama had an entire episode on this problem.

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4vvoby wrote

Why should people settle? Instead we should be aiming to give everyone as much morphological freedom as we can. That way we can pick partners based on social and sexual compatibility and just adjust ourselves to be attractive to the person we're pursuing.

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KSRandom195 t1_j4wecsh wrote

Why would you bother pursuing someone and the headache that ensues if you can just push a button to make a robot do whatever you want?

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4whisv wrote

Some people enjoy dating. Some people want to have children the old way. There's also taste and smell. Most importantly though, some of us don't get off to submissive sex slaves. The idea that I'd want a robot that 'does what I want' is such a cishet dude take. That's the opposite of what I look for in a male and in hardly the only one.

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KSRandom195 t1_j4wze16 wrote

I didn’t even say it’d be a sex slave. Odd how you assume that’s where I was going with that.

It’s more like, I don’t need to get in a fight to get my partner to do the dishes. Depending on how advanced the AI gets maybe we do end up where you end up fighting with an AI partner over who does the dishes. But I imagine that we will end up in a place where you could “configure” your AI partner, which would make it far easier to get along with them. There’s no way you could do that with a human partner.

Yes that would eliminate the thrill of the chase involved in the dating scene. But I’m kind of past that now, and it sounds like a lot of people are. Not to mention the standards being set by women are such that over 30% of them won’t find a partner unless they drastically lower their expectations.

Also, if you really want, I’m sure we could “configure” the AI to not be your sex slave and not just do what you want.

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armentho t1_j4z213u wrote

Because settling usually means lowering unrealistic expectations (like accepting your partner migth lack the best attractive appareance,or be a bit stupid on a topic you like,etc) minor to moderate issues rather than deal breakers that can be dealt with with communication,cooperation and compromise

Not "date the worst possible human being imaginable"

Thats 2 very different outlooks what settling means for some people

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4z34bv wrote

>Because settling usually means lowering unrealistic expectations

Look, I'm married, I know how it works.

But there's a huge difference between trying to make the best of things you can't change in the here and now. And creating a world where our children maybe don't have to make as many hard choices as we did when attempting to win a mate.

Besides, if it ends up being that humans only have sex with sexbots and our babies are grown in clinics or inside a tree or some shit, that would be fine too. We'll be fine as long as we aim for resilience and growth.

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walkarund t1_j4uf6qc wrote

Yep. It's a bit nonsensical to worry about AI because they lacks (at the moment) of "real personality" when the alternative is being absolutely alone, with a good chance of being depressed with low self-esteem.

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Desperate_Donut8582 t1_j4spqdq wrote

I imagine AI waifus would be roasted and be looked down upon even worse than furries in the future if that happens

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HearthstoneOnly t1_j4t1snb wrote

I honestly doubt it. AI as a sex toy will likely seem less contentious than porn. Even AI for just intimacy seems like a step above OnlyFans users.

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4sr7ii wrote

Do you think furries care? Anti-furry sentiment is basically homophobia for zoomers and millennials; sexual minorities live with abuse every day.

People falling in love with AI are so far out of the mainstream that social approval is irrelevant.

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jeffkeeg t1_j4srora wrote

>Anti-furry sentiment is basically homophobia for zoomers and millennials

Lmao gtfoh

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4srwml wrote

The furry community is, disproportionately, young gay and bisexual males.

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jeffkeeg t1_j4suvmd wrote

So what? Baseball players could be disproportionately gay, but thinking baseball is stupid wouldn't make you homophobic.

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4sw0go wrote

I think foot fetishes and anime waifus are stupid and weird. Doesn't make me want to insult and degrade people into it with the virulent hatred furriest get.

Hatred against furries is in large driven by disgust with homoeroticism and male sexuality Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not true.

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EnomLee t1_j4x4hd9 wrote

Don't tell them that Chad. They aren't ready to hear it!

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TheTomatoBoy9 t1_j4tux1r wrote

And into beastiality

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4v75j7 wrote

As opposed to average straight male sexuality, where we pretend so many of them aren't attracted to teenage girls or worse. Or women and their rape fantasies.

We should judge people by their actions, not their thoughts or fantasies.

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TheTomatoBoy9 t1_j4xc3pp wrote

>attracted to teenage girls or worse.

>not their thoughts or fantasies.

Wait, so which is it? Are fantasies OK or bad?

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EnomLee t1_j4x6gr7 wrote

No. That's just the lie that people like you tell yourselves so you can pretend that you're doing something righteous by targeting a powerless out-group. Belittling and bullying people for not being as boring "normal" as you are would immediately show everyone exactly the kind of person that you are and you can't have that! But, nobody will judge you if you can make your victims into the villains.

I bet you actually believe Republicans when they say that trans and gay people are groomers, don't you? So foolish. So, so, gullible.

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Desperate_Donut8582 t1_j4svhc8 wrote

I never said I hated furries but I'm assuming they don't care but not good for mental health

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j4swi55 wrote

Furry fandom provides community which is better than having none. Most of the guys falling in love with AI were never going to have human attention anyway; a way to express and feel those emotions is better than none.

How can having no outlet be better than having some?

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