OldWorldRevival t1_j53ylua wrote on January 20, 2023 at 5:42 AM

Reply to comment by CubeFlipper in Instead of escaping to virtual realities, what if we just made our reality as good as any virtual reality could be? by [deleted]

The fact of your utility is fake in VR.

Think about the contextual picture, not just the outcome.

RavenWolf1 t1_j55opcr wrote on January 20, 2023 at 4:04 PM

It is not fake at all. I used to play World of Warcraft a lot and I don't see that experience as fake at all. Everything that happened there affected to me as much as real life things affect. I actually learned valuable skills there too like how to lead because I was raid leader in big raid guild. Lots of social interaction and diplomatic skills was needed there etc.

I value my experience in there. My life there was important for me. Taming pets in some forgotten forest was something you can't do in real world even how incomplete that experience was because lacking of true virtual reality it still was experience. I don't belittle my life there at all.

OldWorldRevival t1_j563b6a wrote on January 20, 2023 at 5:36 PM

It's a game, that is the context.

Games train you in useful, transferable skills.

I disagree with the notion that one should replace their real life with an unreal life on the internet.

Additionally, I used to play WoW myself, and every time I did, I was always the least healthy and was more unhappy overall than ever.

Which is why I now seek to extract what is so enthralling about games like WoW and pull that into the real world, while not eliminating games or virtual experiences.

Like, imagine if we built ironforge under the Colorado rockies, and linked it up with Khazad dum! Heh. That would be physically possible with artificial superintelligence. Then we could drink beer under the mountain, swordfight and party after a day doing things like crafting real things that fit that environment.

It's just that I think there is real value in the real, and supposing that we are in a sort of matrix only motivates me to want to try to break past a layer in such a matrix.

DarthBuzzard t1_j54ino7 wrote on January 20, 2023 at 9:50 AM

> The fact of your utility is fake in VR.

If you have godmode and are just flicking your fingers to cast fireballs, then yes that's fake utility, but if you're a virtual performer, artist, architect, educator, developer - then your utility is real because it produces value that people accept in the real world and can help others.