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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2zo37g wrote

Reply to comment by TinyBurbz in NYC Bans Students and Teachers from Using ChatGPT by blueSGL

I said nothing about homework; just that backlash against emerging technology in favor of antiquated social systems will increasingly become more of a liberal phenomenon.

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TinyBurbz t1_j2zqjeq wrote

>backlash against emerging technology in favor of antiquated social systems will increasingly become more of a liberal phenomenon.

Stay in school, kid.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2zqkyx wrote

I am 25 and have finished my bachelor’s a while ago. Going onto Masters right now.

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TinyBurbz t1_j2zs472 wrote

Get a refund.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2ztx05 wrote

I am trying to get one from your mom because she can’t perform in bed

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xeneks t1_j2zx1e9 wrote

I definitely need to ask A/S/L on you two because I'm missing out. Actually, that's something I didn't yet ask chatGPT. BRB.

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TinyBurbz t1_j2zwscg wrote

It's not her fault your penis is too small to be felt.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2zx1bs wrote

No your mom’s pussy is just to cavernous from giving birth to your fat ass. I paid for sex but I went spelunking instead 💀

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FunnyButSad t1_j2zsvw6 wrote

Lol. "Backlash against emerging technology", i.e. wanting to CONSERVE the status quo?I wonder, is this progressive? Or is it conservative?

Can't wait to hear more from him.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2zut8b wrote

I’m not saying that it’s only progressives doing this, just that it’s also a growing tendency among them. It’s obviously worse among conservatives and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future.

Progressives are beginning to shift more anti-technological progress because of the fact that aging-millennials are a major foundation of the American progressive movement, and the fact that many far-left people have a general sense of cynicism regarding technological advancement because its perpetuated by major corporations, often to fulfill their own corporate interests (this one is justified).

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Gotisdabest t1_j30iiyy wrote

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. The fact is that this is an upcoming major and massive change to more or less every section of society. It's going to get flak from every single side imagineable. Not by virtue of their political beliefs but by sheer virtue of the fear of the unknown. Rather than labels i think the focus should currently be on action as a very different kind of binary or trinary emerges.

I agree with the last fear and i think that people should be pro active in preparing for this politically and socially, and it's a pity so little of that's being done.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30j6au wrote

Yeah I agree with that and have written extensively about it. Everyone draws a line of the amount of technological progress they consider to be acceptable. Conservatives tend to draw that line very early on. As progress is accelerating, we are now crossing the lines drawn by progressive people. My point isn’t about politics, but that we are now beginning to face resistance from people we traditionally haven’t had issues with.

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Gotisdabest t1_j30kku0 wrote

Is that really true though? A large section of the relative left or progressive faction has been opposing specific types of tech for centuries at this point. Union protests against more automation have been a long long part of history and green anti-nuclear beliefs are common.

What i do think is happening is that we are having a lot more hue and cry this time since, well, it's a lot bigger now. To add on this is a field that's not very popular yet in the media as compared to just regular politics, so understanding is low and the general impression is just a creeping dread. And traditionally, everyone is afraid of something that poses a real risk to them. Instead of a line being crossed, it's more like people just think that they are under threat.

It's come out a lot more due to the primarily leftist art community being the first to see some massive immediate threat. I imagine it'll tilt the other side when it's some typically right wing jobs being automated.

It's moreso that these are now being amplified due to the large amount of debate and discussion rather than particular lines being crossed.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30m0qy wrote

Yeah technological advancements in the modern day are often used by Liberals and Conservatives in the culture war. Right now, Liberals are being clowned on because of AI Art replacing Twitter artists. A year ago it was conservatives being clowned because of the NFT and Crypto market collapse.

In regards to the AI art thing; I think the backlash has a lot more to do with whose problem it is instead of the fact that it’s someone’s problem. Artists are the ones who are feeling the burn because of AI art, and they’re creative people who can draw well. So this means that they are able to effectively propagandize large swathes of people against AI art for their own self interest. To date; we have never attempted to automate the work of people who were able to win this much support for their cause without any outside help.

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Gotisdabest t1_j30niua wrote

>In regards to the AI art thing; I think the backlash has a lot more to do with whose problem it is instead of the fact that it’s someone’s problem.

For sure. I was speaking more in terms of why there seems to be a rise in left wing anti ai voices, so to speak. It's mostly because of ai "coming after" a heavily left wing and very vocal community.

>A year ago it was conservatives being clowned because of the NFT and Crypto market collapse.

And in another year it'll likely be truck drivers who'd be angry.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30pb2h wrote

As a guy who worked in Trucking; we have been working on self driving trucks for a while. The consensus among developers of SD trucks and truckers themselves is that the field will eventually be automated and likely soon. But we probably still have at least a decade because 1) we don’t have FSD cars yet and safety is priority with massive trucks, and 2) actual driving is only half the job.

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Gotisdabest t1_j30pied wrote

We do actually have FSD trucks working some short routes for Walmart, iirc. And we kinda do have some FSD cars. They're still undergoing testing, ofc, but it's mostly on open streets. Mercedes has level 3 models out already by German standards and Kia looks primed for it.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j30q3kd wrote

Yeah I would know I helped test a few (but not for Walmart). I think they’re looking really good so far. I do think they will compose the majority of newly sold lories by 2030. But the main issues facing them are legal liability, inflexibility for LTL roots or smaller roots. Load management, logistics, load accountability, highway robbery, etc.

I think a lot of these issues could be fixed with a person who rides the lorey and does these tasks. And that’s what Walmart and other companies who are testing these are doing. But we are still a few years off from this being a viable means to control the majority of the American trucking industry.

Don’t tell kids to become truckers though.

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Gotisdabest t1_j30uexe wrote

I do think legal liability will fade reasonably quickly once certain safety standards are met. Not that they won't still happen it'll just be far better for everyone involved to figure out a framework. Highway robbery is an issue but i also don't see it really blocking change since it's certainly not equal to the value of not hiring a driver. I have no knowledge of the logistics or load management but surely they too can be managed reasonably quickly with some traning.

I do value your experience on this topic and find your concerns legitmate, but i also think that the change will come far quicker than expected just because of lucrative it is for everyone, and how other countries adopting it would lead to a rush everywhere else to not miss out on the productivity boost. A dramatically reduced salary and benefits structure along with more extensive and flexible driving times is just too powerful to ignore once the tech is proven.

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TinyBurbz t1_j2zxpha wrote

>because of the fact that aging-millennials are a major foundation of the American progressive movement

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>I'm 25

Bro, you missed the cut off by like two years; you dont get to call millennials "aging" when you are getting your first grey hairs yourself.

What are you gonna do in four years when you are "aging" lmao.

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PhilosophusFuturum t1_j2zy1vw wrote

That’s the very young-end of the millennial generation. Millennials are as old as 41 right now. The average millennial is in their 30’s. That’s not old, but it’s at the point where people generally start families, build lives, and begin favoring stability over change.

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TinyBurbz t1_j3015xj wrote

Like I said, get a refund on that education.

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drekmonger t1_j30dkvb wrote

I've noticed a strong backlash against AI technology in leftist enclaves I frequent, and it's not just the older generations either, but the younger.

Accurately, they predict that AI will primarily serve commercial interests, and that the progression of the technology will make the rich richer. Currently, their arguments are mostly centered around art generation tools from greedy corporations "stealing" from poor artists.

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voyaging t1_j30fc57 wrote

Pretty horrifically bad argument with a very plausible conclusion.

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TinyBurbz t1_j32o4pm wrote

Almost like those leftist spaces are realistically informed on this technology. They know damn well that GPT and Diffusion just means elimination of skilled labor.

This is not the loom, they are not luddites. The loom let us hire and create more weavers. This technology however, eliminates labor.

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drekmonger t1_j32p7ua wrote

> They know damn well that GPT and Diffusion just means elimination of skilled labor.

It's true. I don't deny that at all.

I also think there's absolutely no way to stop it. We need to move forward with the idea that AI is here and is going to improve in leaps, and try to figure out how we can reshape society to benefit.

Because it's happening. Even if we somehow outlaw it in the western world, the Chinese will just keep on trucking.

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TinyBurbz t1_j32rb0h wrote

> Even if we somehow outlaw it in the western world, the Chinese will just keep on trucking.

China has done far more to regulate AI than the US already.

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drekmonger t1_j32tdu3 wrote

If your idea is to regulate away AI, then you're in for a bad time.

This is a new epoch of human existence. Plan for it happening, instead of fruitlessly trying to fight against the inevitable.

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TinyBurbz t1_j32vrdi wrote

>Plan for it happening, instead of fruitlessly trying to fight against the inevitable

UghLook, I am not worried about the future of AI driven ads and Disney+ content Ill never watch. I look forward to enhanced google searches, and the various graphic tools being developed by NVIDIA.

However, I can scant see the benefit to everyday people visible AI technology will provide. Aside from enhanced ad delivery? Wow

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