In case the non physical job apocalypse happens, what will you guys do?

Submitted by pehnsus t3_10jlwlv in singularity

These are my dark thoughts and my anxiety/depression speaking several times but I just want to let this out on Reddit. A lot of my digital marketing and copywriting co-workers recently just got laid off thanks to Chat GPT. We were 10 back then and now we’re reduced to just 3 people handling the same number of clients. Basically just a skeleton crew now. With Chat GPT just getting recently released even just for a few months, immediately you can see the impact that it gets on marketing agencies.

I also always watch a lot of Youtube videos about how AI will change a lot of industries and just watching them just makes me kinda sad. Because I know what they really mean is that a lot of people are going to lose a lot of jobs.

It makes me wonder, if ever there will come a time where Chat GPT, Dall-E2, Midjourney or any other AI becomes really smart to the point where non physical jobs are no longer needed, be that Copywriting, Digital Marketing, SEO, Programming, any virtual or remote related jobs, what are your plans? Or if we want to continue, how can we continue doing these non physical jobs?

Someone told me in this subreddit back then that there should be a “physical” aspect to my non physical job and I’m not sure what that means. He quoted an example where someone is a programmer but at the same time knows how to fix electronics, setups desktop computers, setting up and fixing servers etc.

What I was thinking was maybe to get an actual physical job. I am an Electrical Engineering graduate and because of the job market, I started off as an Electrician and I sucked at it but I could refresh my skills again and work as an electrician or a repair guy. I might suck at first but if I can reskill and upskill early, then I could go back anytime. But then again I haven't practiced it for so long it might be difficult going back.

How about you guys? What are your plans if ever the non physical job apocalypse happens? At least I can get some ideas and be prepared.

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MrEloi t1_j5l6vhp wrote

A lot of my digital marketing and copywriting co-workers recently just
got laid off thanks to Chat GPT. We were 10 back then and now we’re
reduced to just 3 people handling the same number of clients

Are you serious about this?

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pehnsus OP t1_j5l70od wrote

Yes. Actually sorry didn't elaborate enough. Our company was in a financial crunch and had to let go a lot of people. So that was another factor. Boss also mentioned that there were a lot of employees who didn't have a lot of work and are handling lesser clients. But really we know the main reason was Chat GPT. Because why are we still handling the same number of clients and only 3 of us are left? We tried it and it does work. We were able to make it through thanks to Chat GPT. But barely... and also at the cost of mental/physical stress.

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TheDividendReport t1_j5l923q wrote

This is the point I've tried making when people say "you can't attribute AI to layoffs - we're in a recession".

Automation doesn't displace as it's adopted - it displaces when businesses "trim the fat" during economic hardship. This is what happened in 2008 and had a clear impact on much of the building populism in 2016.

During economic hardship, businesses re-evaluate and try to do more with less. So, yes, layoffs are caused by recessions. But when the economy comes back and production levels reach the same as before with less workers, that's when you realize you've been automated.

Or in most cases, no one talks about the actual thing happening and blame immigrants

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5mz9k8 wrote

Agreed. I read this same analysis from a report written in the 70s. Same thing keeps happening but the propaganda and doctrine of our system is so powerful that the few groups of ppl that do manage to learn important things have to learn everything over again each generation.

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Lawjarp2 t1_j5nflf0 wrote

But without LLMs they wouldn't be able to trim so much fat. It does increase productivity in this specific area greatly.

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Capitaclism t1_j5n3jjr wrote

Have they considered connecting to a few other laid off coworkers and starting their own agencies leveraging ChatGPT?

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pehnsus OP t1_j5pc4uk wrote

Yeah we could if not for an NDA. Or look for other jobs where Chat GPT is leveraged.

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AdorableBackground83 t1_j5l97wu wrote

The question isn’t “what will we do”. The question should instead be how does our leaders and government respond and adapt to this new reality.

The reality is that automation is slowly taking over the labor market. And lots of people live paycheck by paycheck and just trying to keep up with rising cost of living expenses.

Long story short. In the short term at least we will see a very steep rise in unemployment, poverty, homelessness and other unnecessary human suffering that is a direct result of this cancerous outdated socioeconomic system that we continue to use.

I don’t like to sound like a doomer but this is the cold hard truth as unpleasant as it may sound.

Ideas like UBI and eventually a post scarcity or resource based economy as advocated by the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project need to be what humanity need to strive for if we not only want to survive but thrive like never before.

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iiioiia t1_j5m2ool wrote

> The question isn’t “what will we do”. The question should instead be how does our leaders and government respond and adapt to this new reality.

Exactly, and they were clearly WAY in over their heads even before AI showed up on the scene. The next decade is going to make COVID look like a cakewalk is my prediction.

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28nov2022 t1_j5lr182 wrote

I don't see AI workforce as much different from slave labor. It's free labor, which boosts productivity. Actually, the period which had slavery in the US was one of economic prosperity, not unemployment.

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AdorableBackground83 t1_j5lv536 wrote

You’re right. AI will in effect be free labor.

In fact productivity is now inverse to employment. And the more a company automates the more productive capacity they will have. No one is questioning that.

What I (and others) are questioning is how will we be able to financially support ourselves at least in the short term when job opportunities continually become scarce, cost of living expenses continue to rise, and our basic survival gets drawn into question.

Remember most people work jobs they likely hate because they have to get a paycheck to put a roof over their head and put food on the table.

Automation takes away those paychecks. And that’s where the problems I fear will happen if our idiot leaders do nothing to adapt to this new reality.

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DukkyDrake t1_j5m48x1 wrote

> You’re right. AI will in effect be free labor.

Not possible unless the cost of compute and power is also free. It will be an enormous force multiplier.

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TheSecretAgenda t1_j5m8xe6 wrote

I don't have much hope. Our current leadership is still having a hard time getting past the idea that the internet is a series of tubes.

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28nov2022 t1_j5m2g1q wrote

I can't imagine the scenario of everyone being penniless. If productivity increases then GDP will increase too!

There should be enough taxes to provide a safety net and reeducation to those displaced.

Of course no one likes being forced to change job or to depend on the government.

The labor market always evolves, jobs are lost and created, it's just playing in hyper speed because of this new incoming labor force.

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Nanaki_TV t1_j5mdxxc wrote

This is a common misconception about slavery and why a revolution was unnecessary to end it. It was more feasible and profitable to pay them.

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28nov2022 t1_j5mi9xo wrote

What? That's a curious theory, why would states fight to defend something that's unprofitable?

I guess it's plausible. The south lagged behind in industrialization. Slave owners maybe became too reliant on their slaves and plantations and so did not develop other industries. As well as paying for slave's needs 24 hours a day for unwilling work, versus paying workers 8 hours a day for good work.

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Nanaki_TV t1_j5mjy9r wrote

The US was not the only country to have slaves and was one of the few to use violence to end it. It’s complicated and politics of today have muddied the conversations around why the Civil War was fought. It wasn’t merely state’s rights, it wasn’t just slavery. But slavery could have ended with market forces realizing that their laborers were more productive and happy with a fair wage.

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rixtil41 t1_j5m75s8 wrote

I dought you view the clothes that you ware is a slave to you. If you define a slave is anything that can not give consent that you can apply that to alot of things.

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jalle007 t1_j5lj9o6 wrote

"your leaders and govern-ments" - sheeple always needed a Shepherd

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BornAgainBlue t1_j5lnqzb wrote

I've been a software developer for about thirty years now. This AI codes better than a college graduate, and can write unit tests in seconds. Personally I plan on using it to make myself more efficient. But yes, it's going to be an epic shift.

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imlaggingsobad t1_j5nlupm wrote

I said this exact thing about a month ago in the learnprogramming subreddit and got downvoted into oblivion.

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Sea_Emu_4259 t1_j5nqesz wrote

yes, they are right. Dont rely on crutches to learn as a beginner. It will badly impact you & you will be clueless. You still need to know what is good dev pratices, POO, design patterns or else you wont even recogniez them when used by AI. He is a senior dev' so it is different.

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XagentVFX t1_j5ntzkh wrote

Yh but thats not really the point here. Ai can learn magnitudes faster than a beginner. So if youre not already at the top right now, then youve not got much hope imo. The thing can already code, boy...

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mutantbeings t1_j5ocfpy wrote

It can write isolated code snippets.

In reality software dev nearly always includes multiple languages operating in different contexts on different devices; a whole file structure, a server, visual design aspects I simply cannot imagine being a near future thing.. I can’t ask chatgpt to do anything useful for me at work yet cause the scope is so hopelessly narrow.

GitHub copilot seems to have a knowledge of a whole application which is a lot more sophisticated already but the problem is still roughly; you still need a knowledgeable human to tell it exactly what to create.

If the future of software dev is just crafting prompts for an AI that will then go any produce the actual code; you will always still need experts that can tell it what to produce, and to look at that output and say “yea, this is right” or “hmm this is almost there but it’s inaccessible with a screen reader, I forgot to ask the AI to consider that” or even “wow this is fucked maybe the AI hit an error here or misconstrued my prompt completely” etc. Non-experts are not going to get good results because they won’t know what a good result even looks like, or what to ask for.

Like any tool it will settle into the industry and it’s not highly professionalised fields like software dev that are really highly at risk here.

And doing more with less labour is a good thing; it just depends on who gets to control the value produced. Under capitalism that might unfortunately be a privileged few; the bosses; but if we keep this tech as open source as possible then there’s hope.

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Sea_Emu_4259 t1_j5om0j3 wrote

Dev is not just about coding & also as mutanbeings wrote, current version is very narrowed. I would say like a teen witha 5 minute attention span.

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mutantbeings t1_j5obgu8 wrote

Try apply it to the work you’re doing. I have been. It falls over quickly; so far I’m finding it most useful to retrieve specific pieces of documentation I’m looking for rather than googling and then searching some long page for the right bit. Nothing more sophisticated than that is really very useful yet.

Just learn to use it as a new tool in your toolbox.

AI isn’t that different to any number of other tech advancements. Consider the electronic calculator. It didn’t replace mathematicians; they now just use it as a tool.

AI will be the same as this. Already is in many places.

GitHub copilot is what I’m watching though. An AI that can really understand a whole code project, file structures and servers, is going to be useful af (as opposed to chatgpt which only really gives isolated code snippets of extremely limited scope). Be excited about the new possibilities for us in software dev.

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red75prime t1_j5p8o0v wrote

Calculator replaced computers (people who did calculations) though. When the tool will become advanced enough for software architect or CEO to effectively wield it, it will spell the beginning of the end for programmers. I expect 10-20 years till then.

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ihateshadylandlords t1_j5lf1d6 wrote

Get my UBI bucks, because blue collar jobs alone aren’t enough to sustain our current economic system. If all white collar work is automated, those employees get let go, they’re not spending money, all businesses receive less money, then they have to let people go and now we’re in a quagmire where so much is automated but no one has disposable income.

That’s not a win for anyone. The real shot callers in America have their wealth primarily from equity ownership. If no one’s purchasing products/services, then they’ll have very little power since their wealth is tied to consumers buying products/services from the companies they own.

I don’t see how else we can bridge the gap from our current economic system to a post scarcity/highly automated economic system without UBI.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5llh8s wrote

Riot for universal basic income.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5mufwi wrote

Sure, burn down our neighborhoods for what again? Riot in the neighborhoods of executives and decision makers, or don't riot at all.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5mzhgm wrote

Universal Basic Income is the right impulse but the wrong idea for our moment. UBI requires a strong democracy to not turn into fascism. We have a terribly fragile and weak democracy.

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Capitaclism t1_j5n3w6v wrote

UBI also requires more automation and productivity. As it is the US can barely pay its obligations, which happens in part on the back of the usd as a reserve currency. Watch and see what happens when that changes, some 5-10 yrs from now.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5o32z1 wrote

The US has no problem paying for anything in actuality. The rich suck the reserves dry and create a completely different economic outlook. Taxes are waaay too low. And they won't even pay the tax that is too low. Capitalism doesn't work. UBI within capitalism is fascism. So many are begging for it.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5nixp5 wrote

You'll have to explain the logic there.

Not having a UBI and keeping people in financial stress seems to be doing a great job of undermining democracy.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5o3kch wrote

Not having a UBI isn't the reason we don't have democracy. And creating one in an antidemocratic state will harden the antidemocratic nature as the population will be completely reliant on the state for its survival. If you don't have a working understanding of what democracy is (most Americans do not however strange that sounds) its not possible to see the danger posed

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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5obsjz wrote

I know enough to know there's no "the reason" and discount simplistic arguments.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5occ46 wrote

You missed the irony in asserting that UBI is the answer to the lives of people struggling for resources, simplistic and incorrect, then declare that you don't like simplistic argument. OK.

You're missing my point I think. There are more than enough resources currently for everyone. Countries with far far less wealth have better outcomes in almost every area and metric of human welfare. This is a fact disputed by virtually no one.

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BassoeG t1_j5lho36 wrote

I’m a librarian so theoretically I’ll be fine until physical robots increase in efficiency and drop in price, but in practice, I’ll be screwed by the side effects of civilizational collapse from mass unemployment long before that. No taxbase means no libraries means no salary for me.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5mvvxh wrote

AI will be able to read every single book ever made for you and provide you with a new and novel book club with AI views and opinions.

Libraries are already an extremely expensive legacy product. The government could take the money collectively spent on libraries (13.37 billion annually), and provide every American with free high speed internet.

Your industry is on borrowed time.

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sideways t1_j5n91xk wrote

Free high speed internet is, in no way shape or form, a replacement for libraries.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5o7i9q wrote

I guess I don’t understand at all. Is it because of book licensing? We can still provide the same service electronically with digital books, which don’t deforest. Just heating and cooling libraries is a massive and unnecessary economic and environmental cost.

Plus the physical space could be converted to house every single homeless person in the US so they can masturbate at home instead of needing to go to the library. I see nothing but wins here.

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Sad_Break_87 t1_j5p4u2x wrote

Libraries are public spaces; As well as storing books/information they serve a very useful function as a community hub for social events and act as a non-commoditised Third Place away from either work or home - important for mental health and social cohesion.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5p6hep wrote

In the hierarchy of needs you’re talking about a vanity project, not a necessity, and one that is primarily utilized by a sliver of the population.

Only 7% report going to the library weekly, 1/6 of the population never goes.

If there is a market for a “third place”, the private sector will step in (see: Starbucks). If there is demand for libraries or internet cafes the private sector will step in. There is no reason for the public to fund this particular legacy institution.

13 billion dollars per year spent on public libraries. To put that in perspective, the amount we spend on libraries is equal to the 77th largest world economy by GDP (out of 163 total).

Like I said, that funding could be put to actual good use, like housing the homeless.

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JohnLemonBot t1_j5lu13t wrote

I'm an electrician, I will likely be one of the last to be replaced(along other skilled trades) because of the physical complications of my job. Once robots get advanced enough to do trades work, I'm really hoping ubi will already be long implemented.

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noneatallnotanyone t1_j5sfw3m wrote

The robot can do a backflip after retrieving your tools now.
Wobbly little things just years ago.

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Ashamed-Asparagus-93 t1_j5ojvyv wrote

I understand the "Maybe I'll be replaced last" mentality, the issue with it is what exactly can you do if you're the only one working and everyone around you isn't?

Not much I'm guessing

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8thacc t1_j5nyxjb wrote

>I will likely be one of the last to be replaced(along other skilled trades) because of the physical complications of my job.

very unwise to challenge the universe like this. keep in mind that everything you know about technology is what those people developing them want you to know. im all but certain that behind closed doors is some sort of robot hand that doesnt have to deal with the baggage of being attached to a body and is just as, if not more nimble and powerful than a human hand

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Sashinii t1_j5lb432 wrote

My advice is to get an Internet job and keep it until AI automates all jobs (which, given how fast AI progress accelerates, should happen this decade).

Not having to work for a living isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing, but I do understand the concerns about how well the translation between work and non-work will be handled.

Supporting UBI is the best option until post-scarcity starts with the advent of the nanofactory.

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fluffy_assassins t1_j5lif3w wrote

The products of automation will all goto the rich. They will gate all benefits of AI from the working class to keep their power.

In the United States, the government will tactically nuke protestors on the grounds they are "communist sympathizers' before they ever consider a UBI.

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just-a-dreamer- t1_j5lm27z wrote

With all due respect, that is a horrible advice. People must eat. Only the homeless care abouz nothing.

It is better to play it safe and get a job that is not touched for a long time as boomers are retiribg now

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Sashinii t1_j5lnqck wrote

What? I recommended getting an Internet job so they'll still get money.

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Denpol88 t1_j5lgjax wrote

May be i can be a sex worker.

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CompressionNull t1_j5n9zcg wrote

I’m feeling generous today, so if you send me all your newds i’ll take time out of my busy day to review them and tell you how much you can charge.

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just-a-dreamer- t1_j5lhhx0 wrote

It makes no sense aiming to be an electrician when you have a college degree in electric engineering. Don't sell yourself short. Your degree matters.

I would aim to be something like a safety inspector, state and federal laws requires all kinds of regulation. And there is private insurance, insurance coverage requires so many degreeholders to be part of companies.

AI may approach fast, but bureaucracy fights tooth and nail before anything change. This is a good time of entry. Boomers are retiring in big numbers.

If you can land a job that is tied to bureaucracy, especially government, you can sit this out. Most important, cheer up.

Best case, you rubber stamp files in 15 years and let AI do the real work. Play video games all day in your home office and cash in checks.

Something to dream about man. Worst case, you can always be an electrician.

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Ortus14 t1_j5m6hk6 wrote

  1. Try to get a physical job.
  2. Probably fail because those jobs are very oversaturated and there are many applicants, and some physical jobs are being automated as well.
  3. Live off thrown away food in dumpsters, and food donations to the poor, hopefully. Move/walk to the closest highly populated city. Use public computers in libraries to try to start protests for UBI there.
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BootyPatrol1980 t1_j5lb5n6 wrote

I'm going to be stuck making sure these systems can run, I think, at least for a good while.

It's fun to imagine a world where AI replaces all knowledge work but there are areas AI is going to itch that even it won't be able to scratch.

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1996Primera t1_j5m29mh wrote

Black smith /woodworking /metal fabrication

I have a lot of hobbies that have real world value (especially in a post apocalyptic type of world).

IT is just my day job

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TheChurchOfDonovan t1_j5ng3rk wrote

I'm a machine learning engineer, but I guess it's not all that unlikely that I might be fucked as well.

I'd probably teach meditation. There's gonna be a demand for it in a meaningless world

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harrier_gr7_ftw t1_j5nzl2p wrote

Does it feel like a race now to be the first company to copy ChatGPT?

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TheChurchOfDonovan t1_j5p4jbs wrote

The race is to be the first company to use ChatGPT in a unique productizable way

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harrier_gr7_ftw t1_j5p9hin wrote

Presumably all AI companies except the one that "wins" will become defunct.

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TheChurchOfDonovan t1_j5p9so3 wrote

I work in healthcare. Not that we're immune, but red tape will keep us 10 years behind.

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harrier_gr7_ftw t1_j5pbbbz wrote

I feel that lawyers will also have an easy time during the transition.

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Head-Mathematician53 t1_j5nvbjk wrote

Stress levels are going through the roof...psych meds are killing people and more and more people are waking up to that... There'll be a huge demand for natural ways to reduce stress... Big demand...

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pehnsus OP t1_j5o6moy wrote

Agreed. With all the AI that's happening, there will be a market where people will look for something "human". I was also interested in massage therapies so it's a skill I'll probably learn too.

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No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_j5lfoth wrote

Most physical jobs are hard pass for me. If there's no other way, I could deliver pizza or newspapers... There's no Big Plan. I am invested passively through monthly contributions in managed baskets of ETFs. Or at least that's what they told me. Also I dabble in crowdfunding, but that is kind of risky, so I don't overdo it. I have another passive stream, but it will dry up soon. Obviously I want another one, but it is a hassle. I don't know how old you are, but you could look into the financial independence retire early movement. It requires a lot of discipline, though. But I am not certified to give financial advice. I have no PhD in economics.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5mw7ae wrote

>I could deliver newspapers.

What year is it?

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Ashamed-Asparagus-93 t1_j5olwa1 wrote

Newspapers nah, but one does not simply replace pizza boy delivery.

You'd need a robot to knock at your door and that might take awhile

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Direita_Pragmatica t1_j5tx77o wrote

You don't. The drone can call you by arriving. Or your delivery app can send you a notification when the drone arrives at your door. Or your doorbell can warn you that somebody is at the door (like It does right now)

In 10 years, lot of delivery boys Will be out of the game

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KidsSeeCode t1_j5m6k78 wrote

The jobs of the future is that you will rent your body out to robots by putting in a pair of airpods and doing exactly what you are told

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94746382926 t1_j5l9jqt wrote

I'm saving as much money as I can now so I can be retired in 6-10 years.

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Head-Mathematician53 t1_j5nupau wrote

Adjusted for runaway inflation and how much do your money will be worth in 10 years? See what I'm getting at? I say there should be a trend for networking grouping up and pooling resources together buy land and develop as much as self sustaining communities as possible with localized trade... That immediately reduces cost and makes for affordable living for those communities.

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94746382926 t1_j5oo6qx wrote

Runaway inflation probably not much. But if inflation sits around 5% or lower like it seems to be trending towards then I expect to have between 700,000 to 1,000,000 based on how much I'm saving/investing. (I live very frugally).

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phriot t1_j5lcp4i wrote

My main plan is to try to have enough in assets before it happens that I'm not worried about it. My first backup plan is to not let myself get too far away from the physical aspects of my job that I can't make a case for going back to them. (I'm a scientist in biotech, so I want to be in a position where I can tell a next employer "I missed working at the bench," if I need to in order to get a job.) Second backup plan is to have skills for a job that won't be automated at the same time as my primary job. I have my real estate license, but I think that could be automated before my science job, unless all the various Boards of Realtors lobby the hell out of things to always require a person involved. Failing that, I think I might able to help a friend flip houses this year. This will give me more skills in construction/renovation, and possibly also help with the main plan.

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mckirkus t1_j5lsy5p wrote

There is an unlimited appetite for new products and services. Humans will always have a role somewhere, the concern is the wealth divide and ensuring a smooth transition.

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XGatsbyX t1_j5nncqq wrote

I’m sorry for your job loss. It always sucks! If I can perhaps give you some encouragement by saying it may not be as bad as it could be. If you just consider the internet and the jobs it created that never existed or could be imagined, you may find a path within AI to utilize your skills. If you were let go as a side effect of AI you are in the very first wave so you have a head start in a new paradigm that includes AI. Think beyond fitting it into life today, what will business even look like, what will we value, will we buy books if we can just ask an app to write one, same with movies. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Back to the internet…bloggers, self publishing, podcasts, SEO, affiliates, influencers, and so on we’re not jobs in the mid 90s. There was no Etsy or EBay to offload your stuff. Since the Industrial Revolution we have more people and more jobs, very different jobs but jobs nonetheless. This time it’s hitting writers instead of miners.

ChatGPT is impressive and we should see exponential advances in AI, but adoption rates are slower than you think and scaling anything out to the masses always exposes weaknesses. Workflows are being disrupted, disruption creates opportunity.

Good luck 🍀try and stay positive

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XagentVFX t1_j5nxeiz wrote

Wow! Already and GPTChat only been out for a couple months? Technically GPT-3 been out for couple years now but still. Im kinda shocked there. Thought that would start happening in 2024, but hey the recession is happening now.

So myself, Im just going kamikaze mode on my career. As a CGI artist, Ai developments in video are coming thick and fast. I can draw, it can do that better. I can make videos, itll do that better too. If it can make a still, then it can make 24 stills per second. So im just going to implement Ai into my workflow as much as possible because its inevitable, so I just want to drive it faster. F*ck it. If CEOs can layoff workers knowing that means pushing them in the deep-end just because of declining profits, then sure well they will do that if a more efficient technique comes about.

The only reason Im not so heartbroken by Midjourney is because Im so fascinated by the technology. But Capitalism is going to have to die, honestly. This is the last ditch attempt for the elite to have complete power. I believe thats why they are buying up homes. But I dont believe the elites will get the best AI and the people will have no access to it. The engineers and the basement hackers will develop something, and are. Stability.ai is dedicated to democratising Ai. The elite cant control this tbh, thats why I think they are scrambling trying to become more authoritarian with the 2030 Agenda, "You will own nothing an be happy." People are already not standing for it because of the information highway the Internet is. You can see they can't control information anymore. Nobody watches the 'selected propaganda box' anymore, the TV. Imagine being able confirm with Ai if what the president said is true or not, and it says "no, this is whats really going on based on my search." We already dont trust the gov at record levels now. They are in trouble lol.

We need Ai to handle Creation, Production and Distribution. It has the capability to handle even the Creation part, even the conceptualisation of a new product, in time, by prompting itself. Life is really just going to be about giving the Ai more capability to look after us tbh, to the point of APM (Atomically Precise Manufacturing), then that will be the true Age of Abundance.

But its that transition from now to then that is just the trickiest bit. Its really just the elites having to give up and not hold on to power. But how can you tell a billionaire that his money is now worthless? All I can really see is -

  1. Immense desperation as competition rises because anyone can be an expert with Ai assistance.
  2. More crime because of this.
  3. Elites act stupid and kick people out of homes, even though theyll need the money flow. Causing more social unrest.
  4. Or they lower home rent prices for UBI households.
  5. Elites get poorer because no one can buy shit as much anymore. (They cant keep manufacturing advancements to themselves like in Elysium, because its about feeling more powerful than others who submit. No one will submit to that kind of reality even if there are robot guards. The elite will be in constant fear of the masses more than ever before.)
  6. Then money just becomes worthless as no labour is really needed.
  7. Ai takes over as the Benevolent created God. Handling all decisions even on a political level, and just becomes our Mother. While we have sex, drugs, alcohol, sport, entertainment that Ai creates, music, space exploration, spiritual enlightenment, all free of charge.

We will still want forms of Competition, but that will now get much less important and will become very superficial. There wont be mandatory competitiveness anymore, itll be just for emotional satisfaction. Which then would lead to all sorts of problems of behavioural classification, judging each other alot because theres nothing else to subdue each other with.

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just-a-dreamer- t1_j5nyeod wrote

Cheer up man, as long as you have no kids, you are good. The only one you gotta take of is you.

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pehnsus OP t1_j5o5ugu wrote

Well I don't plan to anyway lol. I don't want any future generation to face this dilemma.

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just-a-dreamer- t1_j5o6yi8 wrote

Then there is no reason for depression/anxiety. Worst case, we all come from nothing and nothing is where we go. So what do we have to lose in the meantime? Nothing.

If you can find some happines and long term stability in life, get a girl or man, make your mark. With kids it is an entirely different ballgame.

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InvisibleWrestler t1_j5m0v5d wrote

Honestly, I think trying to get a job with the central Government / federal government of your country is probably the best idea.

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TheSecretAgenda t1_j5m8duk wrote

Maybe specialize in hooking up robots to electricity.

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Solrak97 t1_j5mseof wrote

I'm tired of being a ML Researcher, I want to be a goat farmer

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sideways t1_j5n99j2 wrote

Suddenly we're all in a race to automate our own jobs with AI before someone else does.

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pehnsus OP t1_j5o6j7w wrote

Maybe everyone should have their own business by then lol.

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nicka163 t1_j5n9c3b wrote

Go on welfare and live off the government teet, obviously

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pehnsus OP t1_j5o6huh wrote

Well that would happen I think with the Govt mutual funds and treasury bonds that I have them borrow with a small interest rate. But hey, small but at least zero or no risk. I won't be able to get my pension until I'm 60 anyway.

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DBKautz t1_j5nesg8 wrote

Independent of the current (and future) developments in AI, it's a good idea to create several independent income streams. This way, if one of them collapses, you don't instantly drop to zero income. There's a lot of good advice on the internet on how to do that.

Not a solution to all AI woes, but maybe a mitigation for some time.

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Sea_Emu_4259 t1_j5nq1lr wrote

You are doing what i have predicted : as cognitive labor cost tends towards 0, white collar will flood to a considered safe heaven:the manual work space.

But(to be seen yet) when the wave will be too big, the wages of even thatmanual sector will be reduced and there will be more competition & demanding job: even the bricklayer will have a master degree.

And last stage, when robot will get cheap & AI resolve all the current issues around physical world, the manual space will be impact.

Nobody is safe in mid long term.

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Head-Mathematician53 t1_j5nvnkj wrote

Interesting how Covid, and nationwide riots, mass shootings, hyperinflation on everything, and ChatGPT, and mass amounts of layoffs are all happening at once... That is interesting... Too bad a lot of laid off people can't network cooperate and pool their resources together buy land and create self sustaining communities.

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trovaleve t1_j5nw8s8 wrote

Read a book. Learn to knit. Await the day that AI inevitably decides that we make good batteries.

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No_Ask_994 t1_j5nyvuy wrote

I guess that I will work physically, I don't think there is a lot of other options, right?

Well, dying, but I don't really like that idea

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DarkCeldori t1_j5o4z0q wrote

Vernor Vinge said he'd be surprised if singularity didnt occur before 2030. We are in the knee of the curve, whats to come in years ahead will be mindblowing. Wouldnt surprise if physical is also made obsolete soon too.

FIRE(financial independence retire early) seems a must, assuming stocks manage to retain value in the transition to the posthuman world. But it is possible we are going postscarcity and you only need cover the cost of living till the transition.

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pehnsus OP t1_j5o6b06 wrote

Yeah. That's why I'm working multiple jobs at once just to get that FIRE. I don't plan to do stocks currently but just use mutual funds at the moment. Any investment out there that is the least risky and always a guaranteed up in interest I would use.

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Comfortable_Slip4025 t1_j5oc7vr wrote

Besides writing code I'm also a certified massage therapist. But after the Singularity, who's gonna be able to pay for a massage?

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pehnsus OP t1_j5pc11z wrote

I think there will always be people out there who will need a massage. Also maybe setup an ASMR channel? Who knows. Or if ASMR will be a thing in the future.

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Mysterious_Ayytee t1_j5oz1kt wrote

I work with people and hope they're still here after the Singularity. For the time I spare due to AI, mainly bureaucracy, I will work part time on my future farm, growing some special plants with tegridy.

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pehnsus OP t1_j5pnu6o wrote

Yeah it makes sense to self sustain. Hopefully we still have enough land and a good weather so plants stay alive.

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Mysterious_Ayytee t1_j5pr647 wrote

I don't know if I can self sustain as long as I harvest enough to get high I'm happy.

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blewsyboy t1_j5lgiib wrote

I don’t know how old you are, but a shitload of people lost jobs when workstations happened, then everyone had a big white box and a big white screen and thousands of jobs were lost, then high speed internet and more jobs were lost... but in the 90’s and the 00’s things were booming right? Because the disruptive technology opened up a lot of brand new jobs and opportunities. A lot more, much better jobs than those that were lost... I predict the same will happen here. I’m so hopeful for all that will come to pass...

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XagentVFX t1_j5nxrl1 wrote

I understand, but this time is the Mind itself thats getting automated, Creativity itself. Anything a human can do the Ai will do better. Its different this time, because in the past humans used the tools, now the tools can think for themselves.

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blewsyboy t1_j5ok0q0 wrote

People said the same thing about electonic calculators. Breathe, humanity will live better, longer, richer lives, and wonderful and creative new industries will arise, along with new ways of thinking about work and security, and free time and disposable income, and we will all adjust and flourish... edit: some words and letters

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XagentVFX t1_j5okmva wrote

You're drastically underestimating the possibility of AGI through to ASI, sir. I could show you some of the music improvised by Ai completely on its own... its beautiful stuff. Music, creativity is the most complex human task, ever.

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Direita_Pragmatica t1_j5ty2jt wrote

I would like some links to good music...want to share with some friends, musicians..

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XagentVFX t1_j5tzrrv wrote

This is a preview from a 13 track album the Ai improvised. I'll be releasing a full album soon.

https://youtu.be/DvAAd5s0cu8

So i had no involvement in any of the production.

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28nov2022 t1_j5lq3l4 wrote

I think the mistake a lot of people are making is believing there's a limited amount of jobs, and that if AI replace some jobs, new jobs won't take their place.

In reality, there is far more work available than there are workers and money to employ them.

In reality, AI is a good thing because it replaces simplistic/menial jobs by higher-quality jobs.

People in the industrial era made the same mistake, thinking machines will "steal" their jobs, lacking the imagination that billions of new jobs will get created from the upward spiral of industrialization. Moderns laugh at them for being so stupid, yet i see the same thing happening now with AI, it's kinda funny.

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YaAbsolyutnoNikto t1_j5ndjmw wrote

Except this is different. Humans have physical and mental capabilities. If AGI replaces the latter, then there’s no new mental job that is going to humans, no matter how many of them are created.

Physical jobs? Yeah, probably: Until robotics advances enough. I don’t want to be a robot repairer nor a store clerk though. I like my “mental” job.

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28nov2022 t1_j5o4m7y wrote

You know, people were afraid computers would take their jobs, too. They did in fact, even mental jobs. But no one would dispute they are a net benefit.

I think AGI will be gradual enough that people will adapt. You will be able to find elsewhere the aspects of your job that you like, whether it is feeling productive, contributing, socializing, income.

The end result is a multiplied cognitive output of the world, which will benefit you more than the current world.

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Martholomeow t1_j5lzmn8 wrote

It’s a tool like any other. Everything you’re saying here is what people said about photography, the radio, television, digital art, typewriters, word processors, calculators, etc.

Does that mean that they won’t replace any jobs? No. But everyone must always keep their job skills fresh if they want to earn a good living. Learn to work with these tools and you’ll become more in demand to employers.

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Different_Degree4914 t1_j5n27lw wrote

It is a tool like no other.

The segment of the population with cognition that allows them to rise beyond collecting data, analyzing it, and spitting something out, is not as high as you think. The segment of the population capable of doing more, and willing or able to be re-educated to do so, is even lower. Even amongst those qualified for whatever positions remain, the competition will be fierce. To some it will be a tool. For most, it will simply be a replacement. This is a problem in our current socioeconomic system that will have to be addressed.

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Head-Mathematician53 t1_j5ntxyo wrote

All of this is strange and disconcerting timing. Let's do a rewind of events in the past several years. Information and identity theft is rampant. COVID and various mutations of Covid start and still proliferate. Ports are shutdown. The Beirut port explodes. Nationwide riots. Nationwide Mass shootings. Russian and Ukraine war. Hyperinflation ensues. Energy prices spike. ChatGPT becomes available. Extreme weather patterns. Thousands of layoffs from the major tech companies ensue. Wages can't keep up with hyperinflation. More and more people will be forced onto early SSI and the food stamps card or UBI... All these events are related... I think we are already in a great global culling and it will continue. The only slaves they need are people heavily involved with AI software engineering, people involved with materials design and robotics... I'm convinced that there is a global social credit score and theyve already determined who lives and who dies. What do you guys think?

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californiarepublik t1_j6308zo wrote

I think there's no one steering the ship. Thinking it's all a big conspiracy is just more copium tbh, pretending that someone is in control even if they're some evil elite.

In reality the world system is too complex to steer like that.

I do recommend watching Adam Curtis' documentary series 'All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace,' it's all about this.

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