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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5llh8s wrote

Riot for universal basic income.

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notthebestchristian t1_j5mufwi wrote

Sure, burn down our neighborhoods for what again? Riot in the neighborhoods of executives and decision makers, or don't riot at all.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5mzhgm wrote

Universal Basic Income is the right impulse but the wrong idea for our moment. UBI requires a strong democracy to not turn into fascism. We have a terribly fragile and weak democracy.

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Capitaclism t1_j5n3w6v wrote

UBI also requires more automation and productivity. As it is the US can barely pay its obligations, which happens in part on the back of the usd as a reserve currency. Watch and see what happens when that changes, some 5-10 yrs from now.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5o32z1 wrote

The US has no problem paying for anything in actuality. The rich suck the reserves dry and create a completely different economic outlook. Taxes are waaay too low. And they won't even pay the tax that is too low. Capitalism doesn't work. UBI within capitalism is fascism. So many are begging for it.

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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5nixp5 wrote

You'll have to explain the logic there.

Not having a UBI and keeping people in financial stress seems to be doing a great job of undermining democracy.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5o3kch wrote

Not having a UBI isn't the reason we don't have democracy. And creating one in an antidemocratic state will harden the antidemocratic nature as the population will be completely reliant on the state for its survival. If you don't have a working understanding of what democracy is (most Americans do not however strange that sounds) its not possible to see the danger posed

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ArgentStonecutter t1_j5obsjz wrote

I know enough to know there's no "the reason" and discount simplistic arguments.

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SWATSgradyBABY t1_j5occ46 wrote

You missed the irony in asserting that UBI is the answer to the lives of people struggling for resources, simplistic and incorrect, then declare that you don't like simplistic argument. OK.

You're missing my point I think. There are more than enough resources currently for everyone. Countries with far far less wealth have better outcomes in almost every area and metric of human welfare. This is a fact disputed by virtually no one.

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