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CandyCoatedHrtShapes t1_j5utdtb wrote

And of course the top comment is some doomer saying the rich will use it to starve everyone. I fucking hate the futurology sub.

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turnip_burrito t1_j5uzp01 wrote

Yeah wtf is going on over there? They act as if high demand technologies don't eventually become affordable for working and middle class folks.

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topanga78 t1_j5v7nry wrote

I am not a doomer, but I don't think that it's a certainty that the rich are going to benevolently let AGI trickle down to the middle and lower classes. Let's be honest here, whichever corporation, billionaire, or government develops AGI first is going to have a significant advantage over others that could be used to further enrich themselves and/or gain power that emperors and megalomaniac dictators have only dreamed of. I'm not saying that this scenario is likely, just that the possibility should not be dismissed.

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mutantbeings t1_j5xauit wrote

The first "emperor of earth" will be the CEO of whatever company builds the first AGI.

People who think that these companies will magically grow ethics just because they have invented AGI are dreaming.

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PythonianAI t1_j69arle wrote

Why CEO? He just does what board of directors command.

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CaptainRex5101 t1_j5wk8hk wrote

That would only be the case if AGI tech was owned, operated, and contained within one tight-knit group. Eventually, someone is going to want to commercialize it and sell it to the masses

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mutantbeings t1_j5xb0qs wrote

I think you might underestimate AGI.

There will be no need to "sell" anything anymore when your AGI can simply take it and there will be nothing anybody can do to stop you.

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visarga t1_j5xwhfk wrote

I think you give God-like attributes to AGI. It is not supernatural.

We still have encryption and security software, humans themselves are GPT-N level, we might have our own GPT-N non-agent AIs we can safely use, there are billions of us, it is hard for AI to build its own chips without us, it is easy for humans to replicate without external tech, we are EMP proof.

A smart AGI would try to download itself into human body first, but that would mean humans can be upgraded to level up with AGI. The future is not conflict but union. AGI is born from our data and will merge back with us to get the benefits. Btw, centaur chess (human+AI) beats both human and AI.

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Spazsquatch t1_j5wppif wrote

Why? Even if you want to expand access you can run it as a subscription service, and as wealth inequality grows, the number of potential customers dwindles.

Not trying to be a sooner there, but if it’s a privately held tool, it will be used in whatever manor results in the greatest profit and monopolies are always the best way to maximize profits.

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mutantbeings t1_j5xbamy wrote

If you have AGI why sell anything anymore.

Just take it.

Nobody will be able to stop you.

This sub is both way too optimistic about how soon we'll see this, as well as waaaaay too naive and optimistic about the ethics of literal elder dragons atop mountains of skulls and treasure they've looted from society er I mean tech billionaires.

You don't get into these positions for your praiseworthy ethics ffs, literally have to not have any ethics to get there to begin with. Its a requirement. You burn entire villages in the blink of an eye without a care for who suffers. Pop the champagne!

Most naive community on reddit? Its up there.

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visarga t1_j5xycwr wrote

When AGI will appear there will be plenty of near-AGI or proto-AGIs in the world. It won't be able to "just take it".

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Omnivud t1_j5yqwbx wrote

Perhaps a new system of values will emerge

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mutantbeings t1_j5xadwx wrote

>high demand technologies don't eventually become affordable for working and middle class folks.

*if they can be commodified and sold for profit without undermining the privileged social position of the powerful.

I'm not convinced AGI is really like that. If it threatens capitalism itself (as a real AGI certainly does) — a system that's been voraciously defended with the power of the world's most violent militaries and police forces for hundreds of years — then I would not be betting on it being accessible...

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ExplosionIsFar t1_j5v1wer wrote

They become affordable if you have a job

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korkkis t1_j5v3i24 wrote

Why we’d need a job if there’s a robot for it

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ExplosionIsFar t1_j5wlf6d wrote

Why would the owners of said robots keep you well fed if you have no use?

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korkkis t1_j5xie3i wrote

Because laws and universal income

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ExplosionIsFar t1_j5xyelb wrote

Oh, laws, do you think that applies to people who will hold the most disruptive and game changing technology we ever had our hands on? Like for real..

Yeah the owners of the means of production will surely pay taxes to keep obsolete bags of meat alive for no reason whatsoever, via ubi.

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korkkis t1_j5xz3fx wrote

Not every country is USA, there’s different styles of goverments already like social democraties where capitalism isn’t unhinged

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fluffy_assassins t1_j5z8p91 wrote

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The United States and UBI are incompatible on a very basic level.

The U.S. government would rather tactically nuke protestors than consider UBI. They will just get away with it by calling the protestors "communists". I've said this before and I'll keep saying it.

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korkkis t1_j5zkjjo wrote

I’m not from US

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fluffy_assassins t1_j60tyeu wrote

Well unless you're lucky enough to be in a northern European countries you're probably still screwed.

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Smellz_Of_Elderberry t1_j5wlo8f wrote

They won't use it to starve people.. I never understood the overly complex methods people come up with..

If they want to kill everyone, all they would have to do is unleash 5 or six different variants engineered small pox into a handful of cities, with a 2 week incubation period.

The overwhelming majority would be infected in under a month.

I think a group deciding "hey I want all the land that is currently taken up by the masses" is a very real possibility. Its not like psychopathy isnt a very real condition. It's also been proven that CEOs are much more likely to have psychopathic characteristics.

I prefer to think things will turn out, but something horrible like the above happening is very much a possibility. Hopefully things turn out.

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berdiekin t1_j5xytk1 wrote

Too many people looking at it from a cartoon villain perspective.

Companies wouldn't actively use it to starve people, they dont care about you. What they will do (or at least try to do) is the same they've always been doing.

That is, cut costs and find ways to maximize profits. In this case using AI to automate more people out of jobs. The fact that you might lose your home or go hungry is just a side effect of that effort.

That's why we need a tax on the usage of robots and AI.

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Smellz_Of_Elderberry t1_j5zpuie wrote

The government is run largely by donors and lobbyists..

Also genocide isn't relegated to cartoon villains.. history is rife with examples. And again, psychopaths exist, ceos have a high likelihood of having such characteristics.

What I'm talking about is very much a possibility. You seem to only counter the argument with " that's just not believable." which isn't a compelling counter..

People find it unsettling to believe that some people REALLY do just want to watch the world burn. Generally these are highly empathetic individuals. They can't conceive how such a non empathetic person feels..

Read some of the famous books on overpopulation, and really try to understand the beliefs of some of these individuals. Thomas Robert Malthus

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Smellz_Of_Elderberry t1_j60x69v wrote

I'm not saying things will end up this way. I just think it's useful to prepare for many different possibilities.

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Baturinsky t1_j5wh1eg wrote

Real doomer sees thas scenario as the win, as it assumes people will still be alive and in power.

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mutantbeings t1_j5x9qhq wrote

Not really a "win" though just another flavour of loss. And boy are there a lot of flavours to choose from.

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TopicRepulsive7936 t1_j5wxkzr wrote

How does the average person know this? Because he knows there are starving people in the world and he doesn't care. But the funny thing is I think the rich actually might care about starvation.

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natepriv22 t1_j5xs1js wrote

R/futurology has way too many communists and socialists infiltrated into it.

As history proves, communists tend to be closer to the luddite mindset since their whole ideology rises from the protection of labor.

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CandyCoatedHrtShapes t1_j5ydeqr wrote

Ok now this sounds like some kind of Fox News BS…

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natepriv22 t1_j5yjpe9 wrote

The top commentor you mentioned is active in both:

R/politics and R/antiwork

So... is that enough evidence for you?

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natepriv22 t1_j5yj3al wrote

Huh?

What makes you think that lol?

Please try to provide some evidence before making such an outrageous and accusatory claim.

The people at Fox News don't understand the first thing about economics, CNN is the same but on the other side of the aisle.

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Roubbes t1_j5y1g17 wrote

Why people from futurology are that retarded?

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