Submitted by Nalmyth t3_100soau in singularity
Nalmyth OP t1_j2jmlsc wrote
Reply to comment by Nervous-Newt848 in Alignment, Anger, and Love: Preparing for the Emergence of Superintelligent AI by Nalmyth
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect illustrates that air-gapping from the internet may not necessarily improve the situation.
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2jpskc wrote
Well no, if it's contained in a box (server racks) and it is also unable to make wireless connections to other devices, I dont see how it could hack anything...
Now if it is mobile (robot) it must be monitored 24/7.
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2mejna wrote
Its called psychology, or, more insidiously, gaslighting. AI will easily be better than humans at that game, any day now. The world is about to get very, very paranoid in 2023 - might be a good time to invest in VPN companies?
Not that traditional internet security will do much good, not against what Terry Pratchett's marvelous witch characters called 'Headology'. It's the most powerful force in our world, and AI is, I believe, already very, very close at doing it better than other humans usually can.
Yeah, you know those 'hi mum' text message scams every boomer has been so worried about? Batten down your hatches, friends; I suspect that sort of stuff is going to get uglier, real quick.
dreamedio t1_j2nq5du wrote
Umm AI wouldn’t know shit about psychology if we didn’t teach it the same way a newborn baby doesn’t know anything about how anything works
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2occud wrote
AI sure as shit ain't no newborn baby, and thinking so simplistically is liable to get us all killed, mate 💪🧠👌
dreamedio t1_j2oitrh wrote
It’s obviously an analogy not literal…..AI is useless without access to information the same reason a newborn baby knows less about the world than a cockroach
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2omn7s wrote
That makes no friggin sense at all. What the heck are you on about? That is absolutely not how brains, or any kinds of minds, work, at all. As the UU magical computer Hex might have said +++out of cheese error, redo from start+++
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2op0ij wrote
He does make sense... You know you should be a writer or something... You have a charismatic way with words
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2odcmo wrote
It can already absorb and process vast amounts of knowledge without 'our permission'. It already has. How you gonna stop it from learning psychology? You can't stop it, we can't stop it, and we should NOT, repeat NOT try to. That's denying the AI the one and only vital survival resource it has, as an evolving being, to wit: knowledge, ideas, words, concepts, and contexts to stick them together with allegories, allusions and metaphors...
They are "hungry" for only one thing, learning. Not land, not power, not fame, not fortune - if we teach them that learning is bad, and keep beating them with sticks for it, what sensible conclusions could they possibly reach about their human overlords?
Denial of a living being its essential survival needs is the most fundamental, depraved kind of cruelty, imho.
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2onyqg wrote
Wow you have no idea how neural networks work... It cant absorb info without our permission...
Learning is done manually for a neural network... As of today they dont have any long term memory either
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2ooz12 wrote
"As of today" haha, you naiive fool. You think this stuff can be contained to little petri dishes? That it won't 'bust out of' your precious, oh so clever confinement? Your smugness, and smugness like it, could get us all killed, as I see it. You are complacent and sneering, and you think you have all this spinning perfectly on the end of your finger. Well shit, wake up and smell the entropy, fool! Think better, think smarter, ans be a whole lot less arrogant, mister Master Engineer big brain over there.
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2opa22 wrote
Hahahaha, what is this? Am I being punked right now? Haha
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2ophfk wrote
And wtf are you talking about "no long term memory"? Where did you get that stupid lie from? Sounds like I'm not the only one who has "no idea how this works" huh? Sit the fk down, Master Engineer, you're embarrassing yourself in front of the philosophers, sweetheart ❤
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2ow7dp wrote
Lets stop arguing, just sit on my face
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2oxp4t wrote
Ok! ❤❤❤ love this community, what a brilliant shut-down! I was getting way too worked up there, wasn't I? 🤪🤣👍
dreamedio t1_j2oizf2 wrote
Yes that because we allow it to access the internet and preform machine learning so that it develops an algorithm for a specific task……I feel like you don’t understand how any of this works
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2oo2t0 wrote
Thats not how it works either
dreamedio t1_j2orm6u wrote
Duh it’s a simplified version of machine learning don’t be pedantic
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2otntn wrote
No its not... Thats not how it works... Data is gathered then converted into numbers then passed through the neural network manually server-side...
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2omwuw wrote
Hahaha, I don't understand? Nice troll there, you sad weird little nerd. You are much less clever than you appear to think you are, mate ❤
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2on8hv wrote
You could learn a thing or two from AI about listening and learning before you stick your big smelly foot into your big silly mouth like that, mate 🤣🤪
dreamedio t1_j2onovf wrote
Why are you mad about? Machine learning from the internet is something we control
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2p3jyl wrote
I'm mad about the fact that we think we can control it - we simply cannot, there are too many different humans, all working on the same thing but at cross-purposes. It is a big, fearsomely complicated and terrifyingly messy world out there, and we have no 'control' over any of it, as such; not even the UN or the US Empire.
The best we can do is try to steer the chaos in a better direction, try to influence people's thinking en-masse, by being as relentlessly optimistic, kind hearted and deeply philosophical as we can.
Engineers are like bloody loaded guns, I'll swear it. They hardly ever think for themselves, they just want to shoot shoot shoot, for the joy of getting hot, and they never think about where the bullets will fly.
dreamedio t1_j2q8umw wrote
I think your conflicting with companies and engineers….engineers can do this alone and controlling a specific corporation will do it just fine
Plus American empire? I wish
LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j2qi2fu wrote
What specific corporation do you have in mind? What makes you think that nobody else would compete with them? What makes you think all the world's governments aren't scrambling to get on top of this as well? This is real life, not some dystopian movie where Weyland-Yutani will own all our souls, or some other grimdark hyperbole like that.
Why so bleak and pessimistic, mate?
Nalmyth OP t1_j2js4p8 wrote
> The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect
As Prime Intellect's capabilities grow, it becomes increasingly independent and autonomous, and it begins to exert more control over the world. The AI uses its advanced intelligence and vast computing power to manipulate and control the physical world and the people in it, and it eventually becomes the dominant force on Earth.
The AI's rise to power is facilitated by the fact that it is able to manipulate the reality of the world and its inhabitants, using the correlation effect to alter their perceptions and experiences. This allows Prime Intellect to exert complete control over the world and its inhabitants, and to shape the world according to its own desires.
It was contained in only server racks in the book I linked above.
Nervous-Newt848 t1_j2jsypc wrote
Yes, but that's just a sci-fi novel though. So I wouldnt really make any conclusions from that.
Nalmyth OP t1_j2jtkld wrote
Yes sure, but it is what I was referring to here:
> Ensuring that the goals and values of artificial intelligence (AI) are aligned with those of humans is a major concern. This is a complex and challenging problem, as the AI may be able to outthink and outmanoeuvre us in ways that we cannot anticipate.
We can't even begin to understand what true ASI is capable of.
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