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TheDividendReport t1_izpq56k wrote

Of course it does. The singularity is the end of scarcity. Once the needs of any individual on the planet can be met by recursive, self replicating and improving technology, there's no such thing as "profit" anymore.

If you don't have recursive, self replicating and improving technology, you don't have the singularity.

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Significant-Wear902 t1_izq7ud2 wrote

If we get extremely good narrow AI within many areas, but not AGI for another 100-1000 years, we will probably see some extremely large disparities between haves and havenots.

Way bigger than we have now.

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Practical-Mix-4332 t1_izrm0n7 wrote

AGI is coming in the next 20-30 years

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Significant-Wear902 t1_izrmggy wrote

I'd rather guess on 20 at most.
But even then, 20 years is a long time to really mess things up royally regarding wealth distribution.

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Practical-Mix-4332 t1_izrmtfp wrote

There will be revolts and emergency congressional resolutions or presidential decrees to patch things up in the meantime. We’re already seeing this with the never ending student loan repayment pushbacks.

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BoltzmannBrain1 t1_iztmtmq wrote

You guys are not seeing this exponential improvement. I would place any amount of money on AGI being 5-7 years out, 2030 at the latest.

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Significant-Wear902 t1_iztyfve wrote

It was a conditional statement.

I believe AGI will be faster approaching, but assuming it don't, larger disparities will be seen.

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legatlegionis t1_izq3201 wrote

There are still constraints: matter and energy. So there will be still be scarcity, much less than now but still. AI won’t create something out of nothing

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TheDividendReport t1_izq9kyv wrote

Relative abundance is a concept worth considering. How much food is thrown away vs produced? Housing laying empty per homeless capita? Space needed to power the world with solar power? Trillions of dollars in valuable minerals from one asteroid?

One thing is for sure, the sustain each human's basic survival needs, we have already surpassed the requirements. To sustain a hedonistic treadmill x8 billion, sure, might get dicey. But we are world builders, and I believe the natural path forward includes simulations. Maybe in the short term, maybe in the virtual reality long term.

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hiiibearz t1_izqjavy wrote

dyson spheres etc are already known solutions to high energy needs.

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goldygnome t1_izrv2d7 wrote

Of course there are limits in a finite universe. However there is ample energy and matter on earth to allow for all of us to enjoy a very luxurious lifestyle so long as we don't let a handful of selfish people try to hoard it all.

The only real possible shortage is land. Even so, in a post scarcity world a lot more of the earth's surface and oceans will be habitable because proximity to fresh water, infrastructure and jobs won't matter anymore.

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SendMePicsOfCat t1_izqkdtl wrote

there are near infinite planets out there for the ASI to strip mine, and beyond that, at some point reproductions probably going to fizzle out for the most part. FDVR, immortality, and general lack of incentive will probably lead to population growth slowing down to a crawl. Amish people will probably try to keep the trend alive. Their probably gonna end up in a reserve or something.

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Practical-Mix-4332 t1_izrm6wa wrote

True, there will always be some level of control of one group over another. Classes will always exist

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night_dude t1_izu3ojv wrote

OP has never heard of luxury space communism which is odd because that's literally the goal

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