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SgathTriallair t1_j26m27a wrote

It's necessary but it's going to be an uphill struggle.

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theshadowturtle OP t1_j26mye3 wrote

I agree. It’s either that or a different UBI-style solution, but it’s still a hard sell.

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TonyTalksBackPodcast t1_j29sm1n wrote

Won’t be a hard sell for long. Unemployment is going to just rise and rise

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j2ac21t wrote

UBI is cheaper than mass incarceration class warfare.

But it's not currently cheaper than social control mechanisms like social media or courting the working class through right wing social populism or left wing economic populism.

When/if the working class manages to recognize that the oligarchs are the common enemy and that an undergrad degree has been replaced by automation, that's when the oligarchs will need to decide between UBI or ammunition.

We're probably about 5 years from that decision point, though, barring another large wave of disease that forces more immediate automation.

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TonyTalksBackPodcast t1_j2dt1j7 wrote

I don’t share your concerns about “the ruling class” because once true AI is achieved it will de facto be the ruler. I hope it is more benevolent than humanity in that role

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lovetheoceanfl t1_j29jeq6 wrote

100%. It’s so necessary. The wealthy and corporate interests aligned against it though will be formidable. Of course, that opposition will bleed down to the “pick yourselves up by your boot straps” crowd, In America, we can’t even get Universal healthcare. All I can foresee is apocalyptic divides of people scavenging for food and shelter on one side and the wealthy and elite on the other.

In my mind, whatever any of us have in regards to wealth and property right now, is our true baseline. Maybe 10% of the population will figure out how to make early AI (starting now) work for themselves and their pocketbook, everyone else will be shit out of luck.

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