Submitted by theshadowturtle t3_zykyic in singularity
fluffy_assassins t1_j26fmvk wrote
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A lot of people claim the homeless have no right to shelter! How do we fix that?
theshadowturtle OP t1_j26g9rd wrote
It’s a great question! If that were easy, we’d be in a lot better shape lmao.
The UN human rights declaration has things like food, water, and shelter as basic rights, which it’s hard to disagree with. Plus it’s the UN. So maybe that has some credibility? Idk
AdorableBackground83 t1_j26mw2v wrote
The UN is just a morons who give off good lip service.
If they were truly that altruistic you know what they would do. They would create vertical farms immediately and distribute those yields for free to those who need it the most.
sheerun t1_j27kqca wrote
We already have surplus of food and vertical farms are very inefficient. The problem is distribution and good will, not production
NoRexTreX t1_j287b3k wrote
In terms of energy. Which makes vertical farming unprofitable in these times but still has great potential in a future if we are able to source an abundance of energy without a large environmental footprint. Such as for countries that invest in nuclear power now because they are thinking ahead.
HumanSeeing t1_j28hxiz wrote
The UN is simply, how to say.. providing guidelines. It has no power to change laws in any country. They are certainly not morons.
wowadrow t1_j29z6ql wrote
Thats the crazy part of the halo games a useful UN that protects humanity no way.
Traditional-Job8568 t1_j28pdwz wrote
UN human rights are a joke like Geneva convention as people joke about it saying its more like geneva suggestion UN human rights are the same if something is not being enforced it is not kept to the standarts and UN has no incentive to undertake massive requirments it would need to enact to fullfill both of these concepts worldwide unregulated rules are not much of a rule at all humans break rules as long as there is nothing to dissuade them
civilrunner t1_j27uu4t wrote
First we just have to realize that allowing existing homeowners to block construction of housing shouldn't be allowed. Then we need to ensure that infill developments are encouraged through subsidies over greenfield developments.
Housing is soo unaffordable for so many because we allow housing developments to be blocked so easily. If food was the same way we'd have far more starving people and only organics would ever be grown.
After we fix the market for housing then a housing stipend program similar to food stamps could fix the rest.
When we talk about UBI and AGI and mass automation things change a lot due to the massive wealth generation that would create.
konaislandac t1_j27n8df wrote
Allow recovery to take place separate from the need to earn capital
The disconnect between capitalism and the homeless is (imo) a matter of loss of dignity by trading the ability to earn capital with addiction to destructive behavior
That’s an oversimplification, but it is a failure to reconcile “earnings” with “deservings”.
The easy conversation there to /start/ is UBI
The tougher conversation to continue is what needs to come in (income), vs what needs to be shared
GenoHuman t1_j29pa6l wrote
You replace all people with AI so they are in the same position as the homeless, now it matters more than anything!
cydude1234 t1_j28u7vn wrote
Put whoever thinks that in a concentration camp
lovetheoceanfl t1_j29jlss wrote
“Pick yourselves up by your bootstraps!”
DukkyDrake t1_j28k9gd wrote
It's not so much that they don't have a right to shelter, but more that they don't have a right to demand that you should work a few hrs a week to provide them with shelter.
> A right does not include the material implementation of that right by other men; it includes only the freedom to earn that implementation by one’s own effort.
fluffy_assassins t1_j28uk2l wrote
You disgust me.
No one should be forced to live on the street.
No one has to work a "few extra hours" to provide shelter. You divide it up and it gets really cheap. Nothing compared to what's WASTED, not spent, but the part that's actually WASTED on the military.
Denying people shelter just makes you cruel and inhuman.
Richest country in the World. There is no excuse.
DukkyDrake t1_j2905nm wrote
What disgusts me, people that think they have a right to demand free labor from others.
fluffy_assassins t1_j2anudw wrote
So if the homeless can't get jobs because homeless, fuck em right?
What are you, a libertarian?
what next, taxation is theft?
Give me a break.
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