And the promise is huge: Not to help the wealthy to live to 200, but instead provide millions worldwide the prospect of lives that don’t end with a decade or more of chronic illness.

Taps shoulder Sky News, chronic illness is caused by aging. You can’t have one without the other. Sorry to trample on your worship of the tradition of aging but it’s going the way of the Dodo. You can solve chronic illness with a pristinely maintained body, biological immortality is just a side effect of that, as De Grey puts it.

Ageism really is a religion to these people. Anyway, AI is moving so fast these days I doubt any form of biological LEV tech will be used at all.

>And the promise is huge: Not to help the wealthy to live to 200, but instead provide millions worldwide the prospect of lives that don’t end with a decade or more of chronic illness.

Man. We as a society have really been shamed into thinking it's immoral to want to live longer. "I-I-I don't want to live a day longer than 85 to 90, I promise! I don't want human life expectancy to ever reach longer than 90 or so, that would be wrong! I don't want anything more ambitious than for everyone to reach their 80s in good health because wanting more than that would be selfish and immature! I'm a mature adult, I promise!"

I wouldn’t worry, that position will go away pretty quickly once the tech is here.

Do you mean people uploading their minds to the cloud or something?

Any form of augmentation in general. Once AGI gets into a into a feedback loop of self improvement there’s really not going to be any chance for medical science led by humans that will be able to outpace it at that point.

> chronic illness is caused by aging[…] You can solve chronic illness with a pristinely maintained body

Only if you ignore all the chronic illnesses that strike young people, like chronic pain conditions (migraine), autoimmune diseases, etc, which aren’t “caused by aging”

Yes but the older you are, the higher chance of getting a chronic illness or medical condition. Your general risk of disease as a fit active elderly person who does everything right to keep in good health is still much higher than a fat and lazy younger person. Aging itself doesn't kill you, your increasingly poor health eventually failing does.

Yeah. A 20 year old who sits on his ass all day, has scrawny noodle arms, and eats terribly all the time will very likely still be alive in 40 or 50 years. A 70 year old fit martial artist who's like a demi-god in the here and now has only a medium chance of being alive in 20.

So any predictions for what the 20s and 30s hold for anti-aging treatment? Aging cured by the end of the 2030s?

Right, but they’re talking about the diseases of aging. They view those diseases as separate from aging when they aren’t. The vast majority of conditions post 65 years of age are due to the body gradually breaking down past that point. The fix for that is keeping people young and healthy.

I would think so, De Grey thinks there’s a good chance aging will be cured by 2030. It’ll be useful for people near death but I think the majority of people will migrate off biology.

Haha, absolutely!

I just wish my grandmother would live long enough to see it... she's 91... she's an amazing person.

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Fermi paradox solved.

Didn't he say 50% for 2037?

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Without disease, bad Food, meat, etc… human should never die before 120 years old. I saw a video where 99 years old man was saying that he was living his « best years » ever.

a lot has to do with jealousy. normies always are super sensitive to the "wealthy" being able to have advantages. whether its money, status, yachts, private jets, health care.....

normies dont understand economics. they legit thinks "trickle down" is a false concept while its actually quite real in the real world, not normie's imaginary world. mobile phones used to be the size of brick in 90s and now almost everyone can afford a smartphone that's bascially a mini computer.

normies have no imaginations. they just can't grab the concept that just coz new things are expensive and more exlucisve, doesnt mean they'd remain the case decades later. things always have to start somewhere. but normies, due to their inherant lack of imagination and pettiness, they get mad if a new tech doesn't benefit them immediately. they always want instant benefits.

I think you underestimate religious fanatics. Tho they are going to die out at some point.

I really doubt most of them are gonna hold out without flip-flopping.

They said the same thing about Charles Darwin.

To be honest; the green side in me just wonder how we are going to fit here, before we can space travel

Well, sure, current results are impressive but have you heard of the No Free Lunch theorem? Look into it!

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>No they didn't. Big beards like that were very much in fashion at the times 1840s/1880s that Darwin operated.

Not at all true. It is well known Darwin was a punk and his beard was a rebellion against the clean shaven conservatives.

Living longer is nice. Living forever would be hell, and tremendously boring.

Not gonna downvote you, but you sound somewhat like an apologist for elitism. "Normies" is also too big and diverse a category to paint with such a broad brush.

I think It's possible to live in a world where economic incentives do have a role but where there are some limits on wealth disparity (and resulting quality-of-life disparity).

For example, I think the cellphone is a decent example of where the market was the prime mover (with one caveat: don't forget who invented the internet) and the poorest people did benefit from rich world tech investment and speculation.

But pharma and basic research is a mess... a lot of it subsidized by the taxpayer via grants in the university system, meanwhile price gouging on the other end by the pharma corps, for their contribution ("we have to make obscene profits or you won't have vaccines!") and insurance middlemen basically feeding off everyone else's misfortune.

And I think that if true life-extension arrives... the model will be much closer to the latter.

Well, those with access will say "fuck that position, I want mine" but the flipside, the attitude from rest of world (the shamers) that those people should feel bad about it... that will stay until it's more democratized / widely available.

Well the conspiracy side in me wonders if aging has already been solved, but TPTB are suppressing the info until we get natural global-population shrinkage (like we're already seeing in the richest countries).

pharma is expensive af coz of excessive government regulation, especially the FDA. a medical trial literally cost billions in US and there'd be failed trials that yield nothing so those companies have to jack up prices to compensate. EU regulators are just as bad, probably worse.

the insurance scheme in US is also not free market.

the reason internet and IT took off so quickly is exactly coz of lack of regulation. otherwise it gonna be stifled just like medicine

it took covid to bring the mRNA tech online. without covid, mRNA still would be in animal trials.... and probably decades away from ever be mass released and also would have huge risk of getting banned due to side effects.

and it's exactly normies that are causing this. their fear of the unknown and their ignorance end up costing their own life quality but they don't understand, they never will.

Well it’s a good thing I’m a posthumanist then. Seriously, the Singularity is going to give you total control of your mental state, just switch off boredom and never worry about it again brah.

Sorry man, traditionalists just cannot win =]

> expensive af coz of excessive government regulation

Ah. I see you are a member of the church. The church of "whatever's wrong with free market capitalism is the fault of too much regulation".

You sound like one of those teenage libertarians who I thought were getting fewer on the non-circle-jerk areas of reddit.

You're not superior because you call others "normies". You're an infantile narcissistic loser with nothing to show for.

I just want them to hurry the f up! This year alone I lost to grandparents!

Need to save mom!

This is one of the biggest bulshit articles I've ever seen. Even trying to scroll gets you blocked.

When you realize what a bunch of BS organized religion is -- Christianity and Islam in particular -- then you closely observe nature, it begins to seep in that this is pretty much the only life we have. There is no honor in death, no childish afterlife based on how well we bargain with the "Boss Man in the Sky". Yet the average rube clings to immature and illogical notions of the inevitability and necessity of death. My hope is that once people see that life extension, or at the very least, longevity escape velocity, is a very real prospect, then the unwashed masses might finally throw off the chains of organized religion, and we as a Nation can unite around a proper Transhumanist logic based religion.

Wealth acumulation is bad. If you allow people to live hundreds of years just a few will own everything and we will be ruled by conglomarates (more than we already are).

You're not exactly wrong. The fact that you're not being downvoted to hell means that the reddit tankies haven't gotten their claws into this sub yet.

Projection

My grandmother died a few months ago at 89. I tried to delicately open the subject with her a handful of times over the last 10 years or so, and she immediately shut me down each time. She wanted to die and go see my grandpa. No amount of talk from me would have changed her mind. And it hurts, knowing that I'll never see her again. But sometimes, there's nothing we can do. People will do what they want.

Its going to be real weird when 160 yr olds date 30yr olds and are discriminated for it. They'll both look the same, but who boy, there will be haters.

"I would think so, De Grey thinks there’s a good chance aging will be cured by 2030."

When did he say that?

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> finally throw off the chains of organized religion, and we as a Nation can unite around a proper Transhumanist logic based religion.

A. you do see the contradiction

B. and how do you know religious veneration of science and logic wouldn't lead to things like legally forbidding relationships where attraction hasn't been proven in a controlled experiment via physical signs

When's the most recent that he said that? 2030 would be nice... my dad would be 81 and my mom 78. Young enough to be alive and healthy. There's two 81 year olds in my family and they're still normal and healthy and not much different from eight years ago.

Yeah... that's the issue.

Once you turn off emotions, there's zero reason to ever turn them back on. What's the point of living if you're just a pure logic machine.

I'm so far from a traditionalist, I just have the intelligence to recognize that eternity is a really long time, and there are only so many experiences once can experience.

Once you can "set" options, you can also experience EVERYTHING within seconds in a sort of virtual environment, and truly experience them - not just in a visual way.

Death gives life meaning. When I was younger, I MAY have been in agreement but, as I get older, I recognize that you can't have the sweet without the sour, and I'd prefer not to live a meaningless life - which is what you get when you can "set" your mood, and personality, you end up with everyone being the same.

I'll hard pass on a Borg like future, thanks.

I'd prefer a singularity-assisted existence over being a singularity myself.

HeinrichTheWolf is fucking lying. He didn't reply to me, nor did he post any evidence for that claim. Aubrey never said that aging could be cured by 2030. Not recently, anyways. I'm sorry for your loss.

Oh, sorry if my wording was unclear. I can see how the word "would" would give the wrong impression. My parents are still alive and entirely healthy.

Sorry for your future loss.