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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_iz6sibd wrote

And the promise is huge: Not to help the wealthy to live to 200, but instead provide millions worldwide the prospect of lives that don’t end with a decade or more of chronic illness.

Taps shoulder Sky News, chronic illness is caused by aging. You can’t have one without the other. Sorry to trample on your worship of the tradition of aging but it’s going the way of the Dodo. You can solve chronic illness with a pristinely maintained body, biological immortality is just a side effect of that, as De Grey puts it.

Ageism really is a religion to these people. Anyway, AI is moving so fast these days I doubt any form of biological LEV tech will be used at all.

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cristiano-potato t1_iz74wev wrote

> chronic illness is caused by aging[…] You can solve chronic illness with a pristinely maintained body

Only if you ignore all the chronic illnesses that strike young people, like chronic pain conditions (migraine), autoimmune diseases, etc, which aren’t “caused by aging”

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Kahing t1_iz76cdp wrote

Yes but the older you are, the higher chance of getting a chronic illness or medical condition. Your general risk of disease as a fit active elderly person who does everything right to keep in good health is still much higher than a fat and lazy younger person. Aging itself doesn't kill you, your increasingly poor health eventually failing does.

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AsuhoChinami t1_iz773y6 wrote

Yeah. A 20 year old who sits on his ass all day, has scrawny noodle arms, and eats terribly all the time will very likely still be alive in 40 or 50 years. A 70 year old fit martial artist who's like a demi-god in the here and now has only a medium chance of being alive in 20.

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_iz78k7d wrote

Right, but they’re talking about the diseases of aging. They view those diseases as separate from aging when they aren’t. The vast majority of conditions post 65 years of age are due to the body gradually breaking down past that point. The fix for that is keeping people young and healthy.

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TheHamsterSandwich t1_izbbhj6 wrote

"I would think so, De Grey thinks there’s a good chance aging will be cured by 2030."

When did he say that?

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AsuhoChinami t1_iz6z8f1 wrote

Do you mean people uploading their minds to the cloud or something?

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_iz731m9 wrote

Any form of augmentation in general. Once AGI gets into a into a feedback loop of self improvement there’s really not going to be any chance for medical science led by humans that will be able to outpace it at that point.

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AsuhoChinami t1_iz777ih wrote

So any predictions for what the 20s and 30s hold for anti-aging treatment? Aging cured by the end of the 2030s?

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_iz790bk wrote

I would think so, De Grey thinks there’s a good chance aging will be cured by 2030. It’ll be useful for people near death but I think the majority of people will migrate off biology.

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AsuhoChinami t1_izcww0b wrote

When's the most recent that he said that? 2030 would be nice... my dad would be 81 and my mom 78. Young enough to be alive and healthy. There's two 81 year olds in my family and they're still normal and healthy and not much different from eight years ago.

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TheHamsterSandwich t1_j1lgg69 wrote

HeinrichTheWolf is fucking lying. He didn't reply to me, nor did he post any evidence for that claim. Aubrey never said that aging could be cured by 2030. Not recently, anyways. I'm sorry for your loss.

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AsuhoChinami t1_j1lgo52 wrote

Oh, sorry if my wording was unclear. I can see how the word "would" would give the wrong impression. My parents are still alive and entirely healthy.

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trimBit t1_iz8p3c4 wrote

Well, sure, current results are impressive but have you heard of the No Free Lunch theorem? Look into it!

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