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diener1 t1_j1nx9xr wrote
Well, there is a difference between some advanced chat AI replacing the current google search and ChatGPT replacing it. I doubt Google will go down without a fight. If that's where search is heading, Google will 100% have their own chat AI and given their resources it will probably be among the best there is.
AndromedaAnimated t1_j1o2g3c wrote
Google is already on it, I agree (1000 languages… among others)
Gimbloy t1_j1nyg9a wrote
The problem with large organisations is that they become slow. Generally startups are at the forefront of new innovation. It would take a shake up on the scale of Steve Jobs returning to Apple to get google to where it needs to be imo.
Fmeson t1_j1o2q9k wrote
Google already has an ai division with some chops. Big corps are risk adverse, but I do think Google can and will learn from open AI. They just to find a way to do it that doesn't hurt their ad revenue.
diener1 t1_j1o07v5 wrote
I don't think we can really judge very well what they have in the pipeline without working there. Also speed isn't everything. If they are a bit slower but end up coming out with the absolute best chat AI, they will get their users right back.
RavenWolf1 t1_j1rhxis wrote
I'm pretty sure that OpenAI is not launching any ChatGPT search but actually Microsoft is.
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1nmi1q wrote
It is indeed very capable and useful. But as I argued in the article, it isn't that simple.
lehcarfugu t1_j1odpak wrote
the main problems are
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it hallucinates if it doesn't know the answer, giving straight misinformation (this is probably why google hasn't released yet)
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it doesnt give you links to sources (it probably could if it was enabled)
ftc1234 t1_j1op1l9 wrote
Maybe. But it’s useful for the common case of just getting basic information. Google is not that good with complex questions either.
StringNut t1_j1q2k5f wrote
hallucinations are a kind of wrong information. advertisements could be described in the same way. it's related somehow to what you are looking for, but is biased in a way that makes in unreliable and unverifiable.
Ribak145 t1_j1pwuck wrote
there is an argument to be made that people dont care so much for perfect information, but rather care about access and presentation
the presentation of info with Google search is horrible compared to Chat-AIs
the68thdimension t1_j1o31er wrote
It probably will, but I hope it doesn't. This person outlines why far better than I can: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/29/1048439/chatbots-replace-search-engine-terrible-idea/
inglandation t1_j1ocj8r wrote
" But despite Pichai’s casual claim that his AI “understands” many topics, language models do not know what they are saying and cannot reason about what their words convey."
I've seen this before, but I've never found this convincing. How can the author be so sure of that, since we don't even know how reasoning and understanding work in the human mind?
Particular_Number_68 t1_j1oo8xp wrote
The author is most likely wrong. Google itself claims https://ai.googleblog.com/2022/05/language-models-perform-reasoning-via.html?m=1 (Language Models perform reasoning via chain of thought prompting). There is no lack of skeptics in this field
imbiandneedmonynow t1_j1o494c wrote
the only problem right now is it gets some facts wrong, so until it doesn't spread misinformation, it would be a long time before then. Even if, some people would probably still use google just because they have the sources right in front of them
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PM_ME_A_STEAM_GIFT t1_j1pwqkr wrote
I think it would have to have internet access. If it did, why could it not be trained to research a topic? I think this could even be implemented on top of GPT. Tell it to give you a good Google search term, execute the search with a script, pass the result to GPT and ask which links seem like they could contain an answer. Then pass it the page content and ask if it can find an answer to the question. Of course it would take a lot of fine tuning and time to get it right, but I don't think it would be impossible.
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PM_ME_A_STEAM_GIFT t1_j1qfy6k wrote
I understand that ChatGPT cannot do research and that it's "just" a super advanced auto-complete. But I think it would be possible to "hook it up" to the internet in a very basic sense. It is capable of generating good google search terms (people even use it for image prompt generation). It is also good at extracting information from text. So in theory, if you allowed it to run web queries, it should be able to research a topic. Shouldn't it?
hlx-atom t1_j1r0ylj wrote
Google search has the same issue.
GoldenRain t1_j1qpv2z wrote
> which is what people want when they google something.
The top 10 google search words on google.com are the following: Facebook, Youtube, Amazon, weather, Walmart, Google, Wordle, Gmail, Target, Home Depot.
Even if you compare the top 50 results, I don't see any that ChatGPT can do better.
tiorancio t1_j1nwfy4 wrote
The have to get it to stop hallucinating first. And there's no easy fix.
mick_au t1_j1o023v wrote
This is a great article
enilea t1_j1poxp9 wrote
I've been testing the examples given in the article and they don't seem to happen anymore. It still gives false information sometimes, but not as much as it was in the article, so even if there isn't an easy fix seems like it's getting better at it.
imnos t1_j1ro2e2 wrote
Why? There's no guarantee that the results on the pages Google spit out give correct information either.
tiorancio t1_j1ruoqn wrote
There's a big difference. Google just links to the results, including some ads in the mix, and can claim the info was already there. ChatGPT is creating an answer, a derivative work on the results. This has huge implications for copyright law and can be a huge liability for misrepresenting people, products or companies.
nexus3210 t1_j1nicke wrote
I literally use chatgpt for so much. Like tell it what you have in the fridge and it gives you recipes, it can even rewrite my job applications and cv.
turnip_burrito t1_j1nj5do wrote
Yeah, I asked it whether I should take out a loan to buy bitcoin and whether to divorce my wife. It said yes to both. I love it so much.
Deformero t1_j1njf60 wrote
LOL
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1nna9z wrote
SaylorGPT
MidSolo t1_j1ob60p wrote
This but post-ironically.
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1nmmgn wrote
Would be perfect as a home assistant really.
dasunheimliche1 t1_j1qtl4y wrote
It gave me a lot of false answers when searching for very specific data
TouchCommercial5022 t1_j1nmx66 wrote
NO
Chatgpt is based on an updated version of gpt3 (call it gpt3.5) and the chatbot was released as a kind of preview of gpt4.
will it replace google??
I really doubt it
Am I the only one who doesn't like having only one answer?
People are still going to want to investigate. Yes, chatGPT helps you research, but when I try to learn something new, I read a lot of articles that have different perspectives on the same topic.
Also, our content bubbles are already small enough. Can you imagine that everyone got the same answers from the same source? *shudder
Or even worse, a different answer from the same source. Have you tried deleting the conversation and coming back a day later to ask the same questions? I don't usually get the same answer.
GPT3 is likely a bot that we train to sound like a person who knows what they're talking about. Not really knowing many facts.
ChatGPT hints at a perhaps near future, but it has at least two major flaws, which are the inaccuracy of the data that is postulated as correct. Second, how do you release a language model into the world without it being influenced/modulated by nefarious actors? How do you trust the data you are being given? How do you know if you are making things up? These may be bigger challenges than we are led to believe from this ChatGPT demo.
I asked ChatGPT questions and he provided me with completely fabricated scientific studies, when I asked him to cite the author and DOI of the studies, it's all fictitious, it seems convincing until you look up the studies and find out they don't. I don't exist. It's certainly very fast, very convincing, but it's not really an AI assistant unless it's an assistant that does shit and is therefore far from reliable.
Yes, this appears to be world-changing technology, but it is actually currently the Emperor's New Clothes. We'll have to wait until GPT4 arrives to see what the progress looks like. There are some big challenges ahead for this technology to overcome.
IN CONCLUSION;
ChatGPT is predictive text generation. It's not an encyclopedia, it's not a web browser, it's not a web search, it doesn't even know anything recent. And he will directly lie to you.
Predictive text neural networks must be fed with selected data sets. They have to be cured because uncured data quickly overwhelms everything else and turns them into crazy Nazis, it's literally the story of all previous chatbots. That means it takes time for new information to reach them, which means you can't be up to date on anything recent.
It also magnifies any biases present in the data being fed. If you see that certain words appear together, you rate them as highly likely to go together. However, that means that if the only data you provide about the Middle East is about terrorism in the data sets, it will associate everyone in the Middle East with terrorism. If you only give him stories about white people, he will associate whiteness with "good" attributes.
ChatGPT also doesn't know what it doesn't know. It will gladly lie to you if it doesn't know an answer and spit out crashing programs. He is also trained in a wide range of subjects, but not all subjects. Good luck trying to come up with the best Elden Ring strategies, and gosh, don't trust anything that's truly life-threatening.
https://theintercept.com/2022/12/08/openai-chatgpt-ai-bias-ethics/
Or maybe Google just buys them. It is standard business practice for large companies to buy promising startups and then close or integrate them
the problem with buying them is that OpenAI is backed by Microsoft (and I think Nvidia) so they would probably be behind the queue if an acquisition was ever put on the table.
But Google has its own version with a more advanced training suite to be released next year. It's going to be an arms race, not a buy, I hope they release something to compete with instead of buying it like they always do.
They already have LaMDA in-house, they just haven't wanted to release it as ChatGPT for fear of misuse and bugs. ChatGPT already shows errors and problems.
However, all it does is show them the need to make a product using LaMDA sooner.
A friend works at Google and he showed me some LaMDA talks and it's on par with what OpenAI is doing. It even leans more conversational and less robotic
Super bullish on GOOG long term.
And Google is the only one that seems to be able to offer self-driving cars. Google has a lot of potential between its core business, calico and Waymo.
Shit got serious.
I can't wait for the google v2 experience where I don't have to rely on my search engineering skills.
Let's go google. speed up please
The problem is that google used to be searched, the first page results include the studies you wanted.
Now it's search, sponsored results, 13 pages of political opinions and news articles, loosely related study result I wanted.
ChatGPT has been a breath of fresh air - I may not be perfect and mess up from time to time, but I can quickly weed out the nonsense and find answers.
Maybe if your search wasn't riddled with SEO spam and actually gave me what I wanted to see without having to add "reddit" to the end, I wouldn't be using ChatGPT
The problem is when Google will steer you in completely different directions based on what it "thinks" you'll continue to see. It's not uncommon to get different search results based on things like region and create regional bias.
I don't think ChatGPT competes directly, but it would be VERY nice to have a solid competitor to Google in web search, because if Google doesn't like you, your business is basically ruined these days.
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1np2uj wrote
Did you generate this answer with ChatGPT?
yolkedbuddha t1_j1ns7f3 wrote
Lol it reads like it..
SinceBecausePickles t1_j1nzlob wrote
not at all, chatgpt has very predictable patterns in the way it gives you info. that comment doesn’t read like it one bit
gahblahblah t1_j1oikii wrote
A quick scan of his profile reveals multiple posts per 24 hour spans that effectively max out the character limit of a comment. The detail in the replies is uncharacteristic of a person typing.
Perhaps we have entered that ironic period, where if a post is too high a quality that exposes them as being a bot.
SinceBecausePickles t1_j1oonrf wrote
it doesn’t read like chatgpt. if there are some other chat bots idk. but it’s not chatgpt
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CrimsonPilgrim t1_j1ny7p6 wrote
Really interesting to read
camdoodlebop t1_j1oqnxu wrote
do you believe that nothing fundamentally changes?
Storm_treize t1_j1q01lf wrote
What about asking ChatGPT to give you various articles to read with different perspectives for your "Subject", instead of typing in Google: "Subject"
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Chadster113 t1_j1npc3n wrote
I would still like to use google for certain instances but I would like a chatgpt partner too. Maybe like a dual search?
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1nqu7k wrote
A mix is probably what it will come down to. You.com sort of has this, but their AI is likely not at the level of ChatGPT, but I haven't tested it as much.
enilea t1_j1o19r9 wrote
I've been testing it earlier today. In some aspects it's better because it links the sources from where it's actually getting the information from, but in programming it's worse and it also has issues with line breaks.
blueSGL t1_j1ow700 wrote
I've swapped over to you.com as my search engine now. For more fiddly technical stuff so far I've found it does rather well, one that I did recently.
I wanted to know if there was a file you could manually edit for midi mapping your own controllers in Serato, and the little 'chat' box gave me the correct result with a googlefucked query of 'custom midi map sorato edit file' and it referenced a youtube video where as far as I can tell didn't have the info in the title, or the about box. Scraping the subtitles?
Screenshot of You: https://i.imgur.com/qH72bOD.png
Youtube Vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByDlm-yBjks
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1pir6i wrote
Interesting, google owns youtube, so they can extract subtitles using machine learning.
blueSGL t1_j1qa5gh wrote
any youtube video with subs, (manual or autogenerated) that is all calculated at upload time, not whilst the video is playing back in your browser.
there are websites you can use to download this srt file.
e.g. this is the video linked above.
https://www.downloadyoutubesubtitles.com/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DByDlm-yBjks
srt is just a text file with a different extension so can be scraped without needing to decode.
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1qfmur wrote
Yea, doing it in your browser every single time would be extremely inefficient.
That's useful. You could also use OpenAI Whisper for arbitrary audio, it's open source: https://github.com/openai/whisper
stupefyme t1_j1ouv2f wrote
There are browser extensions live right now that show you chatgpt answers along with your Google search
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alapatrie t1_j1nrmqm wrote
There was a time when we thought people weren't stupid enough to prefer text messages over phone conversations. There were times when we assumed tiktok wouldn't compete with Facebook, because supposedly people prefer to socialize with "friends and family". In my view, ChatGPT won't replace Google for the few people who like to do proper research. But in general, people are lazy and prefer simple answers to complex problem. Most people will be happy with the summarized and succinct answers ChatGPT provide over the laborious options Google provides.
GrinchPress t1_j1nw21r wrote
I think you are correct. But Google is getting better at putting succinct answers from sources at the top of results. They are occasionally wrong or not what you were actually looking for though, which is the same problem ChaptGPT has.
eldedomedio t1_j1o0cuu wrote
No, it is too expensive. Beyond that, it's attempts to curate responses to queries is subjective and limiting. Getting a different response on subsequent same queries is a drawback also. And then there is the question of coverage. And then there is internet misinformation. So no.
Red-HawkEye t1_j1q4ldk wrote
Too expensive for now. But in 2 years it will be super cheap
imlaggingsobad t1_j1nxt10 wrote
'search' is a consequence of not having a good enough algorithm to give you exactly what you want. With AI, we now have an oracle that can give you exact answers. Google needs to adapt or die.
blueSGL t1_j1oxlgl wrote
I wonder how much adoption www.you.com needs to have before google start severing searches with a side of LaMDA
IslamDunk t1_j1o7zg4 wrote
If it starts citing it’s sources, then yeah, maybe.
overlordpotatoe t1_j1obke7 wrote
I don't think it's as simple as that. I think whatever search engine is most popular in the future will have more sophisticated AI integrated into it than current search engines do. That may continue to be Google.
Decillion t1_j1oku6z wrote
It's starting to for me. I keep almost googling something, stopping, and asking ChatGPT instead. Because I get direct, relevant, intuitive, comprehensive answers with no ads.
RavenWolf1 t1_j1rhojc wrote
Bing will with ChatGPT. :D
But honestly no because when Google feels the threat it will launch it's own ChatGPT variant.
enilea t1_j1o0xzp wrote
No, Google will just implement an addon like the one in the you.com search engine that will cover that functionality and more.
Ortus12 t1_j1o6mx8 wrote
Google is in "code red" working hard to create a competitor to chat gpt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/21/technology/ai-chatgpt-google-search.html
Deep mind (part of google alphabet) has created "flamingo" which combines a LLM with a vision system to get something that's more intelligent than both the LLM alone and the vision system alone, at both vision and LLM tasks.
https://the-decoder.com/deepmind-gives-a-taste-of-googles-possible-answer-to-chatgpt/
At the moment we don't know if Flamingo is better than ChatGPT because it's not open to the public.
But whoever the winner is, I believe future search engines will also be able to take commands such as "Give me a list of the Pro's and cons of combining search engines with chat technology". Similar to how you can type in math questions to a search engine and it will know you want the calculator function, and that out put will be the top result.
I'm sure they'll be stand alone Ai's as well that you can talk to with voice, and they respond with voice, or text when in text mode.
blueSGL t1_j1oxxnl wrote
> Give me a list of the Pro's and cons of combining search engines with chat technology
I asked you.com https://i.imgur.com/zYMho7l.png
>The pros of combining search engines with chat technology include:
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>* Increased efficiency and accuracy in retrieving information
>* Easier access to data repositories
>* Reduced time spent searching for information
>* Improved user experience
>The cons of combining search engines with chat technology include:
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>* Higher cost to implement and maintain
>* Increased training and support costs
>* Possibility of inaccurate or incomplete results
>* Difficulty in handling large amounts of data
LavoP t1_j1prvd3 wrote
First I’m seeing about you.com, this looks quite compelling.
strppngynglad t1_j1p0g7h wrote
They’ve been creating ai they just haven’t showed their cards yet.
purposeprophet t1_j1oc3b1 wrote
Google is already ahead of chatgpt. They have a quantum program running and their AI is likely sentient by now. You cannot compare Google search to GPT 3 or 4 to answer this. Nor can you assume that they just haven’t released anything first to ensure others take the fall for any ethical issues or bad press as we enter hyper-automation.
RemyVonLion t1_j1ocvdf wrote
aren't they kinda different? chatgpt gives you a precise answer to your question, while google is a just a search engine for multiple sources.
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CursedPoetry t1_j1ojqyc wrote
Nah they will merge
3deal t1_j1oki7w wrote
if it stay free
odragora t1_j1ov7f5 wrote
Google requires you to do manual work to get the results. AI gives you an easily digestible result straight away.
This is no contest.
OpenAI is already working on providing the user with the links to the sources to what the AI claims. I'm pretty sure that eventually those sources will be ranked for their reliability, and everything that AI says will have something like a "certainty" rating displayed.
wy100101 t1_j1p16kx wrote
Unlikely. I can guarantee that Google has equivalent technology and has just been slow to act because they are trying to figure out how to monetize it.
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MasterFruit3455 t1_j1p3woc wrote
Lol, no. Isn't that bot based on open source code? That Google contributes to? Take a minute to think about why companies contribute to open source efforts.
Even-Exchange8307 t1_j1p9xoj wrote
No
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action_turtle t1_j1qp4bc wrote
I messed about with it. It’s very good at time saving for search’s. But it cannot do everything else that google does, so no.
TheDavidMichaels t1_j1rhamm wrote
here take a look at this https://www.perplexity.ai/
SupPandaHugger OP t1_j1rtro4 wrote
Another alternative. More and more options seem to pop up. Will be interesting to see how things develop, both in terms of business models and legality.
Pale_Government_6909 t1_j1yfexk wrote
Comparing chatGPT to Google at the moment is quite challenging because the latter is still very much a child, but with GPT-3, Google ought to be wary of chatGPT. Try this one and u know I'm right
Pale_Government_6909 t1_j22jd4y wrote
No, I don't think so.
ChatGPT is not a search engine like Google and is not intended to replace it. ChatGPT is a language model developed by OpenAI that is capable of generating human-like text based on a given prompt. It is not designed to function as a search engine or to perform any of the tasks that Google is capable of. Instead, ChatGPT is primarily intended to be used as a tool for natural language processing and generation tasks. It is not intended to compete with or replace Google or any other search engine.
By the way talk about ChatGPT. I'm using an extension of ChatGPT that it can integrate with search engines. It can't replace Google but it helps me a lot. Here's the link if u wanna try it.
Think_Olive_1000 t1_j1nhniu wrote
Nah
Zombiekiller1O1 t1_j1qnjnz wrote
Eventually ChatGPT is going to replace everyone.
C0nsistent_ t1_j1o76m3 wrote
It is highly unlikely that chat GPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer) or any other language model will replace Google as a search engine or as a company.
Google is a technology giant that has a wide range of products and services, including search, advertising, cloud computing, and hardware. The company has a strong focus on using technology to solve complex problems and improve people's lives. Google's search engine is used by billions of people around the world to find information on the internet, and the company's advertising business generates a significant portion of its revenue. In addition, Google has a strong brand and reputation, with a customer base that is loyal to the company and its products.
On the other hand, chat GPT is a language model that has been trained to generate human-like text based on a given prompt. It can be used for a variety of tasks, such as language translation, question answering, and text generation. While chat GPT and other language models have the potential to be very useful tools, they are not designed to replace Google or other companies that offer similar services. Language models are designed to assist with specific tasks, not to replace entire companies or industries.
In order for chat GPT or any other language model to replace Google, it would need to not only be able to perform all of the tasks that Google currently does, but also be able to do so at a level that is equal to or better than Google. This would be a monumental task, as Google has invested billions of dollars in research and development and has a team of highly skilled engineers and researchers working on its products and services. It is highly unlikely that a language model, no matter how advanced it may be, could replicate the capabilities of Google's products and services and the expertise of its employees.
Furthermore, even if a language model were able to perform all of the tasks currently performed by Google, it would still need to be able to do so at a scale that is comparable to Google. Google's products and services are used by billions of people around the world, and the company has the infrastructure in place to support this level of usage. A language model, no matter how advanced it may be, would not have the same level of infrastructure and would likely struggle to handle the same level of usage.
In addition to the technical challenges that would need to be overcome in order for a language model to replace Google, there are also legal and regulatory challenges to consider. Google operates in a highly regulated industry and is subject to a wide range of laws and regulations. A language model would not have the same level of legal and regulatory compliance as Google, and it is unclear how it would be able to navigate these challenges.
In conclusion, it is highly unlikely that chat GPT or any other language model will replace Google. Google is a well-established company with a wide range of products and services, and it is not designed to be replaced by a specific tool like a language model. Chat GPT and other language models can be useful tools, but they are not designed to replace companies like Google.
gaudiocomplex t1_j1ob6g8 wrote
Written by ChatGPT^
blueSGL t1_j1oyaax wrote
I can now scroll a comment section on reddit and pick them out by sentencing structure alone.
>I don’t even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, red-head.
Gimbloy t1_j1nldxt wrote
Yes, nothing seems more obvious to me. Google's whole value proposition was built on the PageRank algorithm (recommend reading the original paper), and 90% of it's revenue still comes from search. ChatGPT is like PageRank on steroids, it compresses information into knowledge, which is what people want when they google something.