This is how chatGPT sees itself.Submitted by Kindly-Customer-1312 t3_zufdv1 in singularity
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1kpvjp wrote
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And you’re wrong, the mission trips and feeding the hungry comes from the churches and conservative people. Have you been over seas to help?
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1kraqf wrote
- I do a lot of public outreach like with special needs people etc. domestically few times a week
- See, I absolutely am for that kind of thing, but the best way to help is to remove the systemic inequality that’s actually causing the people to go hungry, poor, etc. Capitalism is AWFUL at that and there literally has to be legislation to stop it under the capitalist system or those people survive off the good will of others; look at slavery in history, etc. To give better examples of what I mean: Famines and such like the Irish famine (which killed millions and was directly caused by capitalism) are almost always manmade and caused by greed. There are over 30 times more empty houses in the US than there are homeless people. It’s artificial scarcity caused by the owner class. Removing the actual systemic inequality behind that is gonna remove the root of the problem instead of just slapping a bandaid on it and fixing a part of the issue after the fact.
Edited to add. AI doesn't have have a leftist bias, it has a reality bias
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1sj48r wrote
Anyone who disagrees with capitalisms lacks a degree in economics. Answer this simple question, Where do we get the money to solve the worlds issues if capitalism doesn't exist?
(Also wrong, the ai was intentionally trained to be leftist, look it up)
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1sla12 wrote
Holy shit that is the worst point ever, by that logic cavemen wouldn’t have ever developed farms, technology, and civilization because they didn’t have a profit incentive to improve their lives. Capitalism isn’t fueling the innovation, it often actually steals from the public sector, such as the internet, smartphone tech, GPS etc.. It’s laborers, scientists etc. doing the work, not the billionaires; the billionaires are just side effects of the system. The system lets them hoard all the wealth and pay the laborers a small fraction to get the credit and most of the profit, and apparently it’s working on you. I can send you more info on this if you like?
Also I think post-singularity society shouldn’t be capitalist anyway, capitalism relies on the rich taking the value of the working class’s efforts and on artificial scarcity etc. removing that would solve those issues. Check out the Venus Project for more info on how this would be different; a resource based economy. For example we absolutely have enough resources for things like bullet trains, shelter for everyone, etc. it’s just that capitalism is inefficient.
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1ssjkf wrote
It will be capitalist by the way. "open"AI stops being open the moment they can make money and it will always work that way, and im not saying thats right either.
90% of our economy is not essentials. Much of our GDP comes from our films, amazing products, and luxuries other countries dont have. Why do it without financial incentive?
I'm currently making 18.53 an hour in an incredibly easy call center. Why would I go to school and study 20 hours a week in calclulus and other classes if it would not improve my situation? Maybe youre just much better than me, but i doubt you would either. To clarify I'm in my third year of software engineering.
And the stuff your spouting just isnt true. I think TRUE capitilism is very dangerous as weve seen, but so is socialism, even more so (has lead to the death of millions because you put the power and weapons into the hand of a few elite).
another point, when you say scientists, laborers etc, these are the people who become billionaires. Bezos, Steve Jobs, Elon musk, Zuckerberg all provided great value to the world with their inventions and got rewarded handsomely. Without money, there would be very little innovation. Think about Meta, they are pouring billions into VR because they want to one day control the metaverse. Guess what, beautiful innovation and new tech that we all get to enjoy
When i graduate i will constantly be brainstorming about what value i can provide to the economy so that i too can be rewarded, until then i will get paid what im worth from someone in a better position than me, which wont be too bad, because of supply and demand. Do something hard, get paid well, do something easy, get paid poor.
This AI god youre looking forward to will only be created by two things. An overpowering government who wants to gain power over others in the world, or a corporation trying to gain wealth. There is no other motivation in our current world, if so point me to it.
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1syzzs wrote
- https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7n6ql2/is_the_black_book_of_communism_an_accurate_source/ The black book of communism’s count of how many deaths is wildly inaccurate and proven here to have artificially inflated the numbers, through nearly half a dozen sources linked throughout the comment.
- Approximately 20 million people die every year due to the effects of capitalism, such as starvation, lack of access to clean water, lack of access to shelter, lack of access to reasonably priced medicine and vaccines. These people die not because we lack the ability to solve these problems, but because it’s not profitable to do so. Capitalism only focuses on profit. And that’s not even including other issues like suicides caused by poverty, etc. this is not a system that’s working for everyone. Capitalism kills more every 6 years than the black book of communism claims communism killed in a 100 years (which, as shown above was itself already wildly inaccurate and an inflated number)
- Historical attempts at communism weren’t really communist, real communism would have be stateless, moneyless and classless; Historical regimes that called themselves communist did not fully fall under these. Communism hasn’t been tried in earnest so you can’t compare it to things that weren’t actually communist but called themselves that, that logic doesn’t work in the real world.
- If you’re gonna use the black book of communism’s ways of counting deaths under communism (which literally included things like Nazis killed by communists, etc.), then if you do it to capitalism it is far worse:
100,000,000: Extermination of native Americans (1492–1890) 15,000,000: Atlantic slave trade (1500–1870) 150,000: French repression of Haiti slave revolt (1792–1803) 300,000: French conquest of Algeria (1830–1847) 50,000: Opium Wars (1839–1842 & 1856–1860) 1,000,000: Irish Potato Famine (1845–1849) 100,000: British supression of the Sepoy Mutiny (1857–1858) 20,000: Paris Commune Massacre (1871) 29,000,000: Famine in British Colonized India (1876–1879 & 1897–1902) 3,445: Black people lynched in the US (1882–1964) 10,000,000: Belgian Congo Atrocities: (1885–1908) 250,000: US conquest of the Philipines (1898–1913) 28,000: British concentration camps in South Africa (1899–1902) 800,000: French exploitation of Equitorial Africans (1900–1940) 65,000: German genocide of the Herero and Namaqua (1904–1907) 10,000,000: First World War (1914–1918) 100,000: White army pogroms against Jews (1917–1920) 600,000: Fascist Italian conquest in Africa (1922–1943) 10,000,000: Japanese Imperialism in East Asia (1931–1945) 200,000: White Terror in Spain (1936–1945) 25,000,000: Nazi oppression in Europe: (1938–1945) 30,000: Kuomintang Massacre in Taiwan (1947) 80,000: French suppression of Madagascar revolt (1947) 30,000: Israeli colonization of Palastine (1948-present) 100,000: South Korean Massacres (1948–1950) 50,000: British suppression of the Mau-Mau revolt (1952-1960) 16,000: Shah of Iran regime (1953–1979) 1,000,000: Algerian war of independence (1954–1962) 200,000: Juntas in Guatemala (1954–1962) 50,000: Papa & Baby Doc regimes in Haiti (1957–1971) 3,000,000: Vietnamese killed by US military (1963–1975) 1,000,000: Indonesian mass killings (1965–1966) 1,000,000: Biafran War (1967–1970) 400: Tlatelolco massacre (1968) 700,000: US bombing of Laos & Cambodia (1967–1973) 50,000: Somoza regime in Nicaragua (1972–1979) 3,200: Pinochet regime in Chile: (1973–1990) 1,500,000: Angola Civil War (1974–1992) 200,000: East Timor massacre (1975–1998) 1,000,000: Mozambique Civil War (1975–1990) 30,000: US-backed state terrorism in Argentina (1975–1990) 70,000: El Salvador military dictatorships (1977–1991) 30,000: Contra proxy war in Nicaragua: (1979–1990) 16,000: Bhopal Carbide disaster (1984) 3,000: US invasion of Panama (1989) 1,000,000: US embargo on Iraq (1991–2003) 400,000: Mujahideen faction conflict in Afghanistan (1992–1996) 200,000: Destruction of Yugoslavia (1992–1995) 6,000,000: Congolese Civil War (1997–2008) 30,000: NATO occupation of Afghanistan (2001-present)
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1t1r6q wrote
How bout we do this.
Describe a perfect communist state
Who runs it?
Do we have guns pointed at our backs making us work?
If i choose not to contribute am i put to death?
How do you make people pick the hard jobs? Who digs the ditches, and who develops the software?
What if something like tik tok was seen as limiting productivity, would this be banned?
If im unable to contribute am i given the same pay as the ones working?
if there are politicians and people making new laws and making sure we meet goals to feed said population and any other need, do they also get the same pay or more?
If I am tinkering in my garage and invent the Iphone, does the government show up at my door and take it? The profit is there's.
And reiterateing the first question who is THEY? who is the government? Who pays people, takes my iphone, and makes sure i contribute? Sounds to me like a ruling class.
If you can answer these questions without taking my liberties then sure ill agree with you. "Give me liberty or give me death" as they say, although you may only care about what you deem as your liberties.
Answering in a simple list would be fine, you dont have to go into detail unless its required.
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1u5xzw wrote
If you're actually interested in learning about this, I've linked a youtube series and a few sites and reddit threads below that explain in far more detail than one single comment can. At a high level, communism is a classless stateless system which falls closely in line with anarchism in which there are no unjust hierarchies; Anarchism is a pretty sophisticated philosophy. Anarchism just means "no rulers", not "no rules." Arguably this gives MORE liberty than a democratic republic because communes can form under and make their own rules which prevents the majority from oppressing the minority. Anarchocommunist theory has been explained a LOT already, so how about I link you to examples of people who actually do better than I can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3nxK-0CTY0&list=PLVlCbf75cne_jbxwHwSaPdT65npiGhQrr
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/ee7bmv/what_stops_anarchocommunism_from_devolving_into/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/gb1yz1/would_anarcho_communism_work_on_large_scale/
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1t1vjr wrote
A lot of this were about the deaths statement, so im going to throw that out, replace communism with overbearing government. The deaths are huge and atrocities just as big. I dont believe a government should be god, people are evil
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1u7i95 wrote
Read the other reply I made on anarchocommunism on this, in the video series I linked the guy explaining things is actually agreeing with you on this part and so did many anarchocommunist thinkers and even Karl Marx himself regarding topics like gun control etc.
Idrialite t1_j1l0g2w wrote
What does charity have to do with this? We're talking about policy.
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1mruuj wrote
Yeah quite interesting how they switched the topic and when I rebutted all their points they just didn’t respond…
I bet their viewpoint didn’t change either because of human biases, etc. this is why I’m excited for the singularity tbh, maybe we will be able to move past our limitations, biases, inefficiencies etc.
Accomplished_Box_907 t1_j1ng6wi wrote
Oh don’t worry, I’ll reply. It’s Christmas and I can’t just sit on my phone through the family events.
mocha_sweetheart t1_j1nh0ml wrote
Ok have fun and happy holidays ^w^
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