OldWorldRevival OP t1_j0uszvp wrote on December 19, 2022 at 4:13 PM

Reply to comment by alexiuss in Why are people so opposed to caution and ethics when it comes to AI? by OldWorldRevival

Yea... I have taken a bit of an issue with the idea that open source intrinsically makes something good. If I open sourced biotechnology that allows you to create a supervirus, that would be mostly just absolutely terrible.

Mainly in that I find a lot of people don't actually appreciate others' hard work and passion, and then they take that work for granted as well.

People want things like communism and shared labor, but then they fail to actually stand up for other people's hard work and them being justly rewarded for their contribution. And hence, because of that failure, we have exploitative capitalism. Capitalists and communists are both philosophies that stem from selfishness and an unwillingness to stand up for goodness itself, for all.

In this case, the AI art "scrape everyones data" proponents have ZERO appreciation for the hard work, dedication and sacrifice, and because they found a new copyright loophole tool, they're fine using artists work against them.

It's simple naiveté at best, and it's rotten exploitation at worst.

alexiuss t1_j0uv2y1 wrote on December 19, 2022 at 4:27 PM

>open sourced biotechnology that allows you to create a supervirus

nothing like that exists yet. every single open source AI model dreams using fractal math, nothing else. A dreaming AI is completely harmless - it creates visual and text lucid dreams

>because they found a new copyright loophole tool

this is just the start

the corporate models collected data through LIAON, yes, but VERY soon there will be open source models based on public domain stuff or artists own work that teaches the models, we're about 80% there.

> they're fine using artists work against them

No. Corporations are bending over right now. The corporate models are slowly transitioning to completely de-listing artists as they're being constantly harassed by the artists who hate AIs.

SD 2.0 has already started purging artist names from its new training dataset & key-words, so you can't type in "by greg rutkovsky" and get a result of greg's style anymore in it.

OldWorldRevival OP t1_j0v67f1 wrote on December 19, 2022 at 5:40 PM

Artists don't necessarily hate AI... they rightly hate their work being exploited.

Getting the ethics of AI art ironed out includes protecting artists' work from being used in these tools, and secondly, making it known when a piece of art is AI generated.

A key difference between AI and photography is that you know a photo is a photo and a painting is a painting. AI image generators are a totally new paradigm.

The fact that it obscures the nature of the image is problematic, and tools that identify AI art will become increasingly necessary to preserve the knowledge that something is authentic human work.