iNstein t1_iybwxk8 wrote
Now we just have to convince people with Autism that they have to change who they are to fit in with society be we are intolerant. I get it for debilitating levels of Autism but beyond that, I don't see it being taken up.
kalospkmn t1_iybyte3 wrote
I think it depends what exactly it does. Like I doubt it would just make an autistic person neurotypical. But if it helps them learn social skills, then I think it's an excellent option for ppl to decide if they'd like that or not. Even for ppl without severe autism, it can be sad and frustrating not fully understanding how to socialize with other ppl.
iNstein t1_iyci42d wrote
As long as it is a choice for the person affected without any pressure. A lot of people with autism are happy with their life, they just struggle with intolerance from neurotypical colleagues. I'm not advocating stopping this, I'm saying don't push it on people if they don't want it.
SafeHayven t1_iyd81ry wrote
Autism also puts a burden on other individuals, especially if the affected person can’t work to support themself due to their condition. So a cure would benefit everyone.
iNstein t1_iyfaz1h wrote
If we changed your mental state we could make you super productive and useful to society. None of those personal interests to get in the way of your contribution. Probably get rid of those interfering emotions too. We can fix you up. You good for that or do you want a say in the matter?
earthsworld t1_iyd9sc1 wrote
>I'm saying don't push it on people if they don't want it.
who is saying or suggesting that? why are you leaping to conclusions about some sort of forced "cure?"
In_shpurrs t1_iybzap9 wrote
You realise some people with autism suffer from the condition, yes?
iNstein t1_iychs9g wrote
Which is why I said:
>I get it for debilitating levels of Autism
In_shpurrs t1_iycmm77 wrote
Fair point. I will never not take the time to say that I've found individuals on the autism spectrum to be incredibly fun to talk with. They're fair, honest and funny. They don't need treatment as far as I can tell.
I'm not on the spectrum.
Though one point I'd like to raise with autistic individuals is that they should consider not saying they're autistic.
thetwitchy1 t1_iyd82ls wrote
Why should they not say they’re autistic? I’m just curious about the logic there. Personally I don’t share it unless it comes up, but I don’t hide it either.
In_shpurrs t1_iydapeq wrote
Because it puts both parties at an uneven level. The, say, neurotipical individual* feels the sense to treat the autistic individual as "different". And the autistic person almost gets a carte blanche to do, in a sense whatever s/he may want. "Oh, well, s/he's autistic. I would never accept this behaviour de any other person", vs "I can be as quirky as I want, I said I was autistic ¯\(ツ)/¯"
If the subject comes up, sure, say it. If it is necessary, sure, why not. But for daily interactions? That's like me going around telling any person I meet, "oh, by the way, I'm a man". I mean, it's a fact; but it's not particularly relevant information when meeting someone.
What I'm trying to say is this: from my experience there is nothing wrong about the artistic people I've met. They tend to be slightly different in approach but that's not a problem to me as I adjust my personality to the person I'm interacting whilst staying myself. (I'm not going to talk to a mate the way I talk to someone I'm trying to have sex with. Basic example to prove a point.)
*The neurotipical individual may not even notice or find anything to be strange about the autistic person. Basically "you"'re saying: treat me different.".
Vergil25 t1_iybyigc wrote
This proves that autism isn't just rewiring, it's physical damage from an outside source.
My ex's kid is mildy to moderately autistic, he wound up that way because he didn't get enough oxygen in the womb because of his umbilical cord. This treatment would give him a normal life.
He'd be able to fully understand emotions. He'd be able to have a normal balanced meal instead of bland starches like white bread, he wouldn't need headphones to minimize auditory sensations.
GlobusGlobus t1_iycei93 wrote
I think it just proves that autism isn't one thing. It is a name for a bunch of completely different conditions and brains.
earthsworld t1_iyd9z6h wrote
almost like there's a spectrum...
GlobusGlobus t1_iydbikw wrote
I really dislike you. You are a very bad person.
There is a difference between spectrum and completely different things. Now, this is known and well-established. I mean, the people who created the current definition of autism are well aware of this definition being a failure, it is just that we can't do better with the current level of understanding.
earthsworld t1_iydmg7n wrote
> the current definition of autism
what do you think that is? where are you looking for the definition? how is it a failure? what should the definition be?
GlobusGlobus t1_iye0qfv wrote
I dont think it is possible today to make a much better definition. They recently scrapped the old, more variation rich definition because it lacked support. That was probably the right thing to do. But the new one is so broad that it is bordering on the meaningless. Everyone knows. I dont think they made a bad job, it is just not well understood.
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Edit: I am mostly talking about DSM5 vs DSM4.
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code8888 t1_iydg71e wrote
Except… it doesn’t? The study would need to be replicated to merely strongly suggest that the proposed procedure would ameliorate social deficits. No further inferences may be made beyond the scope of the study. It simply suggests that these chambers may treat one negative facet of autism, nothing more. It may provide a potential research direction, but it has been repeatedly shown that autism - like many areas of neurodivergence - is highly polymorphic in cause, manifestation, and other characteristics. I’d go further and say the study doesn’t even suggest brain damage, if I’m being honest. That would have to be studied on its own.
DedRuck t1_iycwje9 wrote
baseless speculation, this doesn’t “prove” anything nor does it promise to give someone a “normal” life
[deleted] t1_iyceei5 wrote
Ah, so it's just a variant of sociopathy?
Edit: It was a joke, albeit a bit distasteful.
Vergil25 t1_iycn9ix wrote
I wouldn't call that, because at least in his case, he could barely stomach normal food, relying on ensures white bread and a hotdog.
[deleted] t1_iycrul3 wrote
Hmm I was the same as a kid. Doctor said "definitely not aspberger's, but a bit late on the social skills".
Vergil25 t1_iyctvgm wrote
he's 15 now and still the same. maybe you're on the spectrum. get tested
[deleted] t1_iycucyv wrote
They didn't want to do it since it doesn't seem to pose any difficulties for me now.
Now I eat almost everything, am comfortable with holding speeches in front of people and such. Feeling empathy is a bit hard at times though. Especially with difficult people.
earthsworld t1_iyda37c wrote
given your "joke", you never really quite developed those skills, dude.
[deleted] t1_iydf7yl wrote
Did I ever claim that?
I said I can hold speeches given the circumstance, not that I want to please everybody.
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