ihateshadylandlords t1_iy6698q wrote on November 29, 2022 at 1:08 AM

Reply to comment by User1539 in AI invents millions of materials that don’t yet exist. "Transformative tool" is already being used in the hunt for more energy-dense electrodes for lithium-ion batteries. by SoulGuardian55

None of the power banks are commercially available, one website is down and the other three links are kickstarter pages. There’s graphene foam running shoes for sale, so that’s at least something.

User1539 t1_iy6bvxd wrote on November 29, 2022 at 1:52 AM

The light bulbs are in production, and commercially available. Apparently using graphene for the filament makes them more reliable?

I know there have been some samples of CR2032 rechargeable batteries sent out, and that company produces its own graphene. Also, the CR2032 are just a short to market product, and they have plans for much larger graphene aluminum batteries.

I feel like graphene gets unfairly beat on because the second it was discovered, it was found to have so many interesting and useful properties the news was literally flooded with different possible applications.

By the time there was even a single industrial scale source, it was already well past the hype-cycle. People just don't understand that most 'new' technologies are just more plastic/coater technologies DuPont has been running for decades, and even the tweaks we call a breakthrough amount to spraying something slightly different on rolls of plastic.

So, when something genuinely new comes out, you have to know from industry experience that it takes years to set up a 'new' industrial coating system, and that's just basically doing the same thing with some slightly different chemicals.

People just don't understand the time it takes to build a genuinely new factory line.

But, there is commercially available graphene, in industrial quantities. So, at least there's a reliable source of it to start working with.

It's happening. Granted, slowly, but no one said that it would make it to market immediately when they started realizing how useful it was.

ihateshadylandlords t1_iy6cpz8 wrote on November 29, 2022 at 1:58 AM

>So, when something genuinely new comes out, you have to know from industry experience that it takes years to set up a 'new' industrial coating system, and that's just basically doing the same thing with some slightly different chemicals. People just don't understand the time it takes to build a genuinely new factory line.

I agree. I’ve said a couple of times on here that it takes a long time to go from proof of concept to mass production and have been dismissed because I’m “not thinking exponentially”.

User1539 t1_iy6d6pi wrote on November 29, 2022 at 2:02 AM

Just because we know how to build a lighter/stronger bridge doesn't means every bridge in the country will suddenly be lighter and stronger. Someone has to go out and actually build those things.

But, one can imagine a future where the design of a new factory line is done in seconds by an AI, and assembled by machine.

So, I can see where people, especially in this particular sub, could imagine new factories popping up where the curing time of concrete is the only time factor.

I'm not going to tell them that'll never happen, but having worked to create automated systems on factory floors, I know that right now it takes months to get some basic wiring purchased and installed.