AkaneTori t1_iw5wpgp wrote on November 13, 2022 at 4:59 AM

Art has literally never been an "easy" or "secure" job. It's insanely difficult to produce art at a professional level and rate. It's also not exactly something that's ever paid well, so artists have always had to accept that they're gonna have it rough unless they're profoundly lucky.

You're close, though. There are artists like RJ Palmer for example who are specifically trying to ignite as much controversy possible through bad faith arguments and framing, and there are literal dipshit AI enthusiasts who do just refer to any concerned individuals as "luddites".

This is just going through some particularly violent growing pains. One of the problems as well is that you have so many non-artists invading the space and demanding they be taken seriously, when the overwhelming majority of us have spent at least a decade working every day to reach a level of skill and still aren't taken seriously.

Mind you, there are those like me who don't really care. I can make better art than most of you regardless of AI, and when armed with things like Midjourney and NAI you guys don't stand a chance. Most artists aren't as arrogant as me though and the second something validates their self-hatred they'll crumble.

visarga t1_iw8v2tm wrote on November 13, 2022 at 9:02 PM

> non artists invading the space

Many people using AI art generators do it for personal enjoyment, it's one-use art then throw it away, sightseeing, imagination fun. Or to see themselves and their loved ones in all sorts of imaginary situations and costumes. Not trying to take over professional art.

AkaneTori t1_iwaynxj wrote on November 14, 2022 at 7:52 AM

I think you misunderstand, but I didn't really specify either so it's on me.

Take the guy who trained a model off Kim Jung Gee as a "tribute" after his passing, then demanded he get credit if anyone should use his model.

There's alot that goes into an act like that which a complete layman isn't going to be able to grasp, and thus I truly do believe he didn't actually realize how much of a vile slap in the face that is.

Keep in mind, something like that would be similar to me, an artist/programmer who failed algebra 5 times, trying to make an equation in honor of Stephen Hawking's death in a single afternoon. I'm missing the point of his work, what made his work so impressive and important, and the work I produce isn't even gonna be any good. Then, I go out and say "if anyone wants to use this shitty function I put together feel free, but make sure you properly credit me!" There's aspects to the entire culture of science and math and physics that I've completely sidestepped so I can promote my own vanity project.

That is what I mean by "non artists invading the space"

People adopting the language of art and trying to leech the same cultural components of it while taking an at best incorrect angle to it, or at worst, a lazy and disrespectful one.

visarga t1_iwb604s wrote on November 14, 2022 at 9:42 AM

Art correctness is in the eye of the beholder, I feel like you're gate keeping the new art kids. Let them eat cake.

AkaneTori t1_iwd9u1z wrote on November 14, 2022 at 8:03 PM

I'll happily call something disrespectful if I deem it as such.

camdoodlebop t1_iw9p1mq wrote on November 14, 2022 at 12:33 AM

what do you think about the parallels of this struggle between trained artists and ai art vs the past conflict that traditional physical artists had with digital artists? there was a time when people thought that any art made with a computer was cheating and not real art. could this be the same thing?

AkaneTori t1_iwaz4p0 wrote on November 14, 2022 at 7:59 AM

I think it's close, but certainly different. I'd sooner compare it to the invention of 3d modeling and animation, and how that's become a necessary skill in all art jobs whether you specialize in it or not.

I see a future where all concept artists will have to know Python if anything, but honestly it might also be a future where most creative jobs are sucked up and instead everyone is just an art director.

If you ask me, the most important thing right now is that artists try to actually take control of this stuff and learn how to steer it correctly so we don't get trampled by people who have no artistic history at all, which is less a concern about individuals wanting to make comics and shit and more about corporations snatching up literally all possible story ideas without actually making something of substance like how patent companies do with inventions.