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hducug t1_itceded wrote

Yes, but I think by the time that agi is finally achieved it could already be to late.

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genshiryoku t1_itd9dpk wrote

The point of no return is classified as 4C warming by the International Paris Climate Accord (IPCC).

To give you some indication we're currently between 0.8 and 1.2C warming and we're projected to reach 1.5C by 2030 and 2.0C by 2050. If we keep polluting at 2022's rate permanently then we'll reach 4C warming between 2250-2300.

So while climate change is a really bad proposition we're most likely not going to reach a society ending treshold unless humanity is so stupid it never curbed emmissions before 2250.

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beachmike t1_itcepjs wrote

Too late for what?

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hducug t1_itceuk5 wrote

Damage would be to big, plants are extinct, animals are extinct, ecosystems collapse etc.

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Human-Ad9798 t1_itchsn7 wrote

Lol fucking bullshit

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_itcsaop wrote

Yeah…both climate change doomers and climate change denialists camps are cringe. Climate change will have an effect (particularly in Middle Eastern populated regions where we could see mass migration crisis in the coming decades) but it’s far from total armageddon lol. We even have a stopgap measure for when it gets too hot right now, a lot of scientists recommend nuking the Australian outback to bring the global average down a few degrees Celsius.

Climate change is a problem to be sure, but it’s entirely in our likely means we’ll fix it, it’s not the apocalypse 😆

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insectpeople t1_itel3xz wrote

> nuking the Australian outback

As an Australian, what the absolute fuck is this

Not if Aussies have a thing to say about it

I’m guessing the idea is for us not to… welp, fucking hell.

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_itfb0sy wrote

This scientist explains it here, jump to the 32:30 minute timestamp: https://youtu.be/7TbDAFQkqj4

Ideally, any large non populated area would work for that measure, but the outback would be the best spot according to many scientists, because the ozone is least dense in Australia compared to anywhere else on the planet, assuming we do nothing about the current climate by 2050-2070, it would also need to be done repeatedly every 4-7 years as well to get the global average back down to where we are now. Of course, I’m going to get downvoted in this subreddit, because you guys don’t understand the concept of kicking up smoke/dust around an ozone to block out extra sunlight (nuclear winter) to make up for the weakest spot in our planets ozone layer, it is also why Central Australia/Outback is uninhabited right now, as an Aussie you should know this, and since the ozone is weak in that region, it’ll be even more uninhabitable in 3-4 decades, like with 90% of Canada’s population living within 100 miles of the US border, the overwhelming majority of Australia’s population lives near the habitable region near the sea in the south east or to a lesser extent the edges of the island in other spots around the island. Assuming nothing is done by then to stop our current level of climate pollution, (the US/Chinese government need to listen and drop Coal Power), that’s what will wind up happening, because Australia would become uninhabitable not long after the middle east if the global average rises up anymore after that anyway. And again, we’d face another mass migration crisis because a specific region on earth is going to get too hot to house human beings.

It wouldn’t be nuking all of Australia either btw, people on the edges of the island would be unaffected by any fallout, South East Australia (where most people live) would be 2,400km from the impact site(Assuming Australia is still habitable by the time things get that bad that we need to resort to this stopgap measure, because it’d be next right after the middle east in terms of things getting too hot for humans to continue to live there).

All of this does ignore AGI/ASI getting here, personally, I don’t think things will get that bad before ASI course corrects, but if we don’t get ASI, I currently lack faith in humanity dropping things like coal power plants anytime soon, because both China and the US want to remain the world’s dominant superpower and coal is the cheaper but more pollution heavy method, it boils down to that and rich tycoon’s greed. And yes, you’re right, the idea is for us to course correct now, as I said, humanity is going to make it, but a lot of people will indeed die if we don’t change our current course soon, there still is time by the way so that these migration crisis don’t happen (at this point it does look like things are going to get spicy in the middle east), that’s where alarmists/doomers are wrong, governments just need to start by outlawing coal power and outlawing it globally, that would be a great way to stop things getting too bad, but in the end I do lack faith in the ability of humans to put aside their greed, so we better hope we get AGI/ASI soon, which in that regard I am optimistic because progress in AI has been outstanding and far ahead of schedule.

Addendum: It’s not just countries like China or the US either, the same standard needs to be applied to the developing world as well, we should launch a global initiative to ban coal and make sure developing nations have access to nuclear or reusable power sources, because a lot of African countries are also going to be industrialized soon, and sadly many of them are already turning to coal just like we did for cheaper energy production, every country is going to have to pitch in on this. Because if one country keeps knocking up massive amounts of pollution it’s going to harm/kill people in the hotter countries.

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Jalen_1227 t1_itfhrrf wrote

Yeah most people don’t have the attention span or discipline to read all of that

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_itfjxfd wrote

If you want, you can watch the timestamp in the video. There’s a scientist who explains it there.

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