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whenhaveiever t1_ispnl5f wrote

The BioNTech covid vaccine was developed in less than a day. Moderna's mRNA vaccine was developed in two days. The rest of the delay in getting it into people was clinical trials, bureaucracy being slow and the time to ramp up production.

The article says BioNTech has several cancer vaccines in clinical trials now. How much of the eight year delay is necessary to make sure they work, and how much is unnecessary delay while they wade through the bureaucracy to get approval to start manufacturing these vaccines?

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byttle t1_isontoq wrote

Call it a vaccine tho and no one will take it

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imnos t1_isoxw0v wrote

Great. More for the rest of us then.

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Bierculles t1_isoyygk wrote

A great way to sort out the dumb though. It is not contagious so the only people they are hurting is themselfes.

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NNOTM t1_isphahy wrote

Yeah it's certainly much less problematic than with vaccines against infectious diseases

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Ilunamie t1_isqfwg8 wrote

Natural selection being really useful there

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mckirkus t1_isq03q8 wrote

People would get it, but half just wouldn't tell anybody.

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Key_Asparagus_919 t1_isouye2 wrote

I disagree

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_isp5vu6 wrote

The pandemic showed us otherwise. Even when we cure all these diseases+aging, they will still persist for a while due to the fact people will refuse treatment.

Altered Carbon, Upload and Black Mirror’s San Junipero episode kind of delve into this position. Even when we have cures for everything, luddites will refuse treatment for conspiratorial, tradition or religious reasons.

Like the other poster said, more for us then.

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Another-random-acct t1_isp7p19 wrote

Cancer is a hell of a lot scarier than COVID.

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_isp9kjo wrote

You’re really underestimating how much they actually reject truth and fact for bullshit. I’m one of the most optimistic people on this subreddit when it comes to progress, but even I know people will refuse medical treatment for nonsensical reasons.

I’ve seen discussions related to this on 4Chan and Facebook, both when it comes to aging and cancer, it’s always some Zeitgeist shit where they think the government or wealthy want to kill people or give them the disease they say they’re going to cure to cull the population.

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headypete42033 t1_isuzwrh wrote

needs to be tested on with more than 8 mice and no humans like with the booster. also big pharma needs to be liable for any vaccine injuries and not immune. no hidden safety results for 75 years either.

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Eleganos t1_itdg531 wrote

And that doesn't matter to someone who thinks Homeopathy is a panacea and "when done right" can cure their cancer right then and there.

The same people who refuse a cancer vaccine are the same who'd fall hook line and sinker for 'alternative' medicine snake oil cures for that same ghastly illness.

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thecorninurpoop t1_ispfboi wrote

Great, hopefully I don't get it before then

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ChefKenner t1_ispxgf2 wrote

This was all laid out in 2005 when 'the singularity is near ' was published by Ray kurzweil. Anyone who read that book would have been quite skeptical to trust the rollout of medicine in store for us. Merging with AI is the game. They'll say and claim anything. Ends always justify the means to the technocrats.

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HeinrichTheWolf_17 t1_isq3mk1 wrote

That’s the thing here, Kurzweil even mentioned the mRNA covid vaccines during a speech online a few months back. Biotech is going to kick off extremely fast now, all diseases disappearing this decade seemed fanatical to many skeptics but the truth is once we can reprogram biology all genetic illnesses will be cured fast and aging will disappear alongside with it.

We’re just getting the ability to reprogram our shitty outdated genetics. Medical advancements weren’t an information technology until the 2010s, the field was linear before.

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FusionRocketsPlease t1_issjmay wrote

I want them to be able to cure my neurodivergence so I can finally get some girl.

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Freds_Premium t1_isr1i1c wrote

Does this mean you could smoke cigs constantly?

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PandaCommando69 t1_isugsy7 wrote

Theoretically could you make a vaccine that could do that? Yes I think. Will these vaccines be able to do that? I don't know. Seems like maybe?

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Freds_Premium t1_isusfem wrote

We could see cultural changes. Joe Camel back on kids lunchboxes.

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Longjumping_Kale1 t1_itkuq06 wrote

Kinda seems like developing better cigarettes would be easier but what do I know

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-Evil_Octopus- t1_isrgvig wrote

Cancer “VACCINE!!!” The what? That’s not remotely how cancer works You can’t inject some small cancerous cells into someone and have their body fight it off. It’s not a virus, it’s a genetic mutation!

If this isn’t just fake news it would be a preventative cancer injection where they inject some chemical. You can’t make a cancer vaccine.

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MarginCalled1 t1_issyapy wrote

Yes you can, in fact they are, along with several other high profile biotechnology companies.

Unless you can show me your degree in molecular biology I choose to trust those that do, and can.

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-Evil_Octopus- t1_istfh1u wrote

Oh wait I looked it up. I had a slightly wrong conception of the term Vaccine. I thought it was only for viruses, but it’s defined as a immune system stimulant that helps recognize cells as foreign.

Woopsies.

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MarginCalled1 t1_istin3y wrote

I think we are going to see a lot more responses like your original going forward. Many people misunderstand, and undervalue the sort of work that's being done. In addition we are starting to get into the realm of nanofactories producing enzymes within your body, many people simply won't understand, or be willing to try to understand.

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-Evil_Octopus- t1_isvzx5y wrote

I’m not undervaluing it, I just thought it was probably fake because I got the definition of a word wrong.

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MarginCalled1 t1_isw00ua wrote

I didn't say you had, simply that many people in the future will.

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-Evil_Octopus- t1_isz58e9 wrote

“Like you original”

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MarginCalled1 t1_it0yxxp wrote

At the end of that sentence I ended with a period, then started the next with 'many people', which was not strictly inclusive.

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