Tavrin t1_is1nj63 wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:27 PM

I may have misunderstood what he meant but Dota certainly requires a lot of cooperation to win, it's not a 2 player zero sum game.

OpenAI's dota bots were really crazy at the time and cooperated really well, I would love to see them go at it again with today's scaling and advances in algorithms

lifebeyondwalls t1_is1seyg wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:59 PM

Were OpenAI‘s dota bots cooperating with human players or only playing against them? That might be the difference.

Ezekiel_W OP t1_is1v3gj wrote on October 12, 2022 at 6:17 PM

Correct, DOTA bots played against humans, not with them as far as I know. This shows that AI can now play cooperative games along with and against human players at expert levels.

Tavrin t1_is2k87u wrote on October 12, 2022 at 8:57 PM

It did include cooperation with humans https://openai.com/blog/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-champions/#cooperativemode

Ezekiel_W OP t1_is2p4vs wrote on October 12, 2022 at 9:28 PM

Oh, that is neat. Though this is a little bit different and of much greater importance than that cooperation.

Tavrin t1_is2kbjf wrote on October 12, 2022 at 8:57 PM

It already had some cooperation, but maybe not on the same level as this new paper https://openai.com/blog/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-champions/#cooperativemode