ImoJenny t1_is1kt9h wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:10 PM

I'm sorry but, "DiL-piKL?"

Ezekiel_W OP t1_is1fusw wrote on October 12, 2022 at 4:37 PM

Very cool and very interesting. I highly recommend people take a look at this thread.

Tavrin t1_is1nj63 wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:27 PM

I may have misunderstood what he meant but Dota certainly requires a lot of cooperation to win, it's not a 2 player zero sum game.

OpenAI's dota bots were really crazy at the time and cooperated really well, I would love to see them go at it again with today's scaling and advances in algorithms

lifebeyondwalls t1_is1seyg wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:59 PM

Were OpenAI‘s dota bots cooperating with human players or only playing against them? That might be the difference.

Ezekiel_W OP t1_is1v3gj wrote on October 12, 2022 at 6:17 PM

Correct, DOTA bots played against humans, not with them as far as I know. This shows that AI can now play cooperative games along with and against human players at expert levels.

Tavrin t1_is2k87u wrote on October 12, 2022 at 8:57 PM

It did include cooperation with humans https://openai.com/blog/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-champions/#cooperativemode

Ezekiel_W OP t1_is2p4vs wrote on October 12, 2022 at 9:28 PM

Oh, that is neat. Though this is a little bit different and of much greater importance than that cooperation.

Tavrin t1_is2kbjf wrote on October 12, 2022 at 8:57 PM

It already had some cooperation, but maybe not on the same level as this new paper https://openai.com/blog/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-champions/#cooperativemode

ACasualGuy t1_is1zx2j wrote on October 12, 2022 at 6:48 PM

Maybe it's the kid in me but I really wish we could actually witness it playing these games

notirrelevantyet t1_is385x4 wrote on October 12, 2022 at 11:45 PM

Not just you, I want a whole eSports league where AI companies battle their fine tuned models against each other.

Bierculles t1_is5ouqq wrote on October 13, 2022 at 2:18 PM

imagine a standoff between two superoptimized AI's playing Risk or something like that and they employ some ultra gigabrain strats and nobody has any clue what they AI is even planning.

aperrien t1_is1revc wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:53 PM

Here's the paper for this.

darkardengeno t1_is3d0iz wrote on October 13, 2022 at 12:21 AM

Does anyone know who's working on a version that can do communication too? The press and negotiation is a huge part of Diplomacy and it seems like the obvious next goal. Obviously it's much more complicated but with all the insanity text models are capable of now it doesn't seem unimaginable.

AIs are now expert-human-level in no-press Diplomacy and Hanabi

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