Submitted by Shelfrock77 t3_xtq3us in singularity
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LeifInVinland t1_iqrjnl0 wrote
if we want this too be a positive, remember too campaign for ubi and other wealth redistribution methods.
space_troubadour t1_iqrl9h5 wrote
There’s something really profound about machines taking over the oldest “job” in the history of humanity
thehourglasses t1_iqrvudh wrote
With a phosphorus shortage, soil degradation, drought, and extreme heat events. Riiiiiiiight.
Analog_AI t1_iqrwqe9 wrote
The automation is replacing human jobs in all fields, including services. It is accelerating. Automation always replaced jobs. The difference today is that it is replacing them faster than new jobs are created. Meaning that for the first time, automation is a net destroyer of jobs. That’s what’s new.
Fun_Prize_1256 t1_iqs0bxi wrote
What percentage of jobs do you think?
TheSingulatarian t1_iqs3aa8 wrote
A metric shit ton, that's like a gazillion percent.
mlhender t1_iqs89g8 wrote
Nah. They’ll just change.
imnos t1_iqsapyg wrote
Right. All for automation but there's little point in it unless you sort out the issues caused by monocultures. Can't automate farming if your soil has all turned to dust.
clockercountwise333 t1_iqsb67z wrote
Amazing that this is the least upvoted comment
imlisteningtotron t1_iqsbqjs wrote
Question for hopefully those more in the know: how far away are we from vertical farming becoming mainstream? How long would would you expect autonomous robots like this to be relevant for?
Edit: to clarify I mean automation used in a field, not those that would be used for vertical farming.
vernes1978 t1_iqsdf4s wrote
I was hoping at least one comment mentioned John Deere can disable your device remotely and requires you to have all repairs done by them.
It's the Apple among agricultural machinery.
UPDATE: more comments about how bad John Deere is. This is a bad development.
SgathTriallair t1_iqse1u0 wrote
They are aiming for the other oldest profession as well.
SgathTriallair t1_iqseboz wrote
Vertical farming will be easier to automate since the system will already know where each plant is and there won't be any role animals or weather mucking up the system.
saucymew t1_iqseffm wrote
For the curious: https://carbonrobotics.com/
duffmanhb t1_iqseryi wrote
The one I'm thinking about was fully autonomous. You just set it and go to bed.
dropkickoz t1_iqsevx9 wrote
saucymew t1_iqsf4dk wrote
Oh! Do you mind sharing?
Devanismyname t1_iqsfa97 wrote
Not UBI, wage subsidy. So if a company hires 10 people right now for one job, in 10 years they cut the hours in half and hire twice as many people. The people get paid the same amount, because the government subsidizes their wages. The company loses nothing, people can still work, and it serves a similar purpose to UBI but without the mass depression from being locked in your apartment all day. Part time work isn't soul crushing and you still have something to get out of bed for everyday. If you can live a comfortable life working 20 hours a week rather than 40, and you can do it at something that isn't fast food, I think that's a healthy life.
arevealingrainbow t1_iqsg6tq wrote
Now we just need sex robots to take over prostitution
duffmanhb t1_iqshlz9 wrote
RubiksSugarCube t1_iqshn4a wrote
By 2030 America's 65+ demo is expected to be ~20% of the population, which is where Japan is right now. If we're going to keep all of these retired people fed, housed, entertained and cared for, we're going to need a lot more automation. We're already experiencing significant labor shortages in all kinds of industries.
RubiksSugarCube t1_iqsi062 wrote
Meanwhile the grocery store down the street from me has at least a dozen positions open and they're offering $21.50/hour to start. Across the street is a fast service restaurant offering $19/hour with no apparent takers.
RubiksSugarCube t1_iqsia21 wrote
This may end up being an unintended side effect of work from home adoption: There's the potential that a lot of commercial/office space in or near city centers is going to need to be repurposed at some point.
Analog_AI t1_iqsish7 wrote
If I were there I would most likely apply and take it if offered. I live in Switzerland now and we haven’t got such sweet deals. Are you applying? Also, I’m curious, how many applicants per job have they got for those lofty wages? Can you call them up and let us know, please? My guess 25-30 applicants per job. Can you verify, please.
Smoke-away t1_iqsk6o4 wrote
Interstellar vibes.
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OverBoard7889 t1_iqslfjx wrote
It won’t be just farming….
Quealdlor t1_iqsvcox wrote
In fact, unemployment is all time low in many countries. Automation is not replacing jobs faster than it is creating them, as of now. It may change in the future, but not so far. There are a lot of places to work at. And you can create your own business.
Quealdlor t1_iqsvobe wrote
Yes, that's true. We are seeing labor shortages, instead of automation making people unemployable. So I don't think humans will not perform work in the near future. To the contrary - in the near future there will be A LOT of work to do by humans.
Analog_AI t1_iqszlen wrote
Thanks 😊 I will open a business as soon as I win the jackpot. I don’t have the capital until then.
Artanthos t1_iqt04iq wrote
I’ve physically visited distribution centers that will only have 10% of the work force that would have been required 20 years ago.
Automation is happening today. It’s just not reached the point where the general population has awareness.
Artanthos t1_iqt0djj wrote
Good luck with that.
The companies that are automating already have their lobbies in place.
Analog_AI t1_iqt0una wrote
The companies replace human labor with machines to save money and cut costs, not to spread the wage fund over more employees. They are not philanthropists but competition forced capitalists.
Artanthos t1_iqt1aq2 wrote
In distribution centers, their is approximately a 90% labor reduction between a state-of-the-art facility and a traditional facility.
That is here and now. It is happening today, not the near future.
Mid Journey and related text-to-art AIs are already looking at displacing huge numbers of commercial artists in the next year or two.
ArgentStonecutter t1_iqt46do wrote
And requires a monthly subscription for the windshield wipers.
Just_Another_AI t1_iqt48c0 wrote
It doesn't take much capital to start a business. Just start small as a side hustle
Just_Another_AI t1_iqt4dsz wrote
The John Deere factory authorized repair bits will take care of it as part of the monthly subscription fee
Analog_AI t1_iqt4jdv wrote
Depends where you live and the field you chose to enter. In Switzerland it’s quite expensive to open a viable business.
Devanismyname t1_iqt4qt3 wrote
Not all jobs will be automated right away. Servers, construction, policing, etc. Lower the hours in places where people are still needed.
Analog_AI t1_iqt53o7 wrote
You are correct: not all jobs will be automated right away, indeed. No one said they will be. They will be automated only when the automation of a job can be done cheaper and with less errors than the same job performed by a human worker. It was always so.
PureEminence t1_iqt6oxc wrote
Where is this / are they actually paying those rates?
Tons of places have "up to $xx/hr" or "$20*/hr" plastered everywhere across their hiring advertisements but they really mean $7.25 for under 21yo, $10 for under 26yo, and will only offer the full pay they advertise if you're a single parent or meet some other nonsensical criteria.
It's a completely predatory tactic corporations are using to shape a social narrative against the lower classes in an attempt to get them to accept the lower wages via negative social pressure.
It's intentionally trying to warp people's perspective into thinking that jobless people are 'lazy' or 'just don't want to work' when 'there are jobs everywhere!'
darklinux1977 t1_iqt9yw3 wrote
JD is more a problem than a solution, let me explain: their machines run on closed code, like the proprietary UNIX of the 1980s/1990s/2000s, like Microsoft Windows and all flavors of MacOs XI. Apple. It's an old way of thinking about 'software economics'. If GNU/Linux killed the competition in the server environment, it wasn't because it was free, but because it was open code and the community.
The private code blocks the economy. IF JD die, what will become of their customers? they will not be able to maintain their machines, it would be added one crisis to another. As I have said elsewhere , there is nothing to say that a Linus Torvald equivalent , for farmers , is not hacking one of these machines , for an open source equivalence
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slow_ultras t1_iqtix08 wrote
Monocultures are terrible, but I think soil erosion has actually decreased as farmers till less now they have herbicide resistant genetically modified crops.
The climate smart agriculture funding that's part of the inflation and reduction act, should also help increase the uptake of cover crops, no-till, crop rotations etc. which will help protect the soil as well.
daltonoreo t1_iqtj1lq wrote
John Deere is a horrible company, they literally make it so farmers cant repair their own tractors.
slow_ultras t1_iqtj81p wrote
I think you'll see some farms growing cereal grains that automate planting, fertilizing, pesticide application, and harvesting before 2030.
Might take a bit longer to automate picking more fragile crops like raspberries though.
daltonoreo t1_iqtj9tp wrote
Where is this grocery store, im only getting paid 13$ a hour for 11 hours of factory work
dropkickoz t1_iqtpna7 wrote
cantbuymechristmas t1_iqu2ggr wrote
system: you ran out of tractor minutes, press 7 to top up
kaushik_11226 t1_iqu6w43 wrote
Exactly it dates back thousands of years ago
mind4lease t1_iqudpmv wrote
Perfect! Bill Gates won't have to hire any workers for his mega-farms!
set-271 t1_iqulcb0 wrote
No Right To Repair. Murican Freedumbs
LowAwareness7603 t1_iqvj0ae wrote
Welcome to the future.
FREE-AOL-CDS t1_iqwgwsz wrote
Not happy about John Deere leading the way tbh
Ezekiel_W t1_iqrabl8 wrote
Yes, people really need to understand that mass automation is already here it's just in the beginning stages. A lot of jobs are going to be gone by 2030, a metric shit ton of jobs.