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space_troubadour t1_iqrl9h5 wrote

There’s something really profound about machines taking over the oldest “job” in the history of humanity

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Ezekiel_W t1_iqrabl8 wrote

Yes, people really need to understand that mass automation is already here it's just in the beginning stages. A lot of jobs are going to be gone by 2030, a metric shit ton of jobs.

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LeifInVinland t1_iqrjnl0 wrote

if we want this too be a positive, remember too campaign for ubi and other wealth redistribution methods.

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Artanthos t1_iqt0djj wrote

Good luck with that.

The companies that are automating already have their lobbies in place.

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Devanismyname t1_iqsfa97 wrote

Not UBI, wage subsidy. So if a company hires 10 people right now for one job, in 10 years they cut the hours in half and hire twice as many people. The people get paid the same amount, because the government subsidizes their wages. The company loses nothing, people can still work, and it serves a similar purpose to UBI but without the mass depression from being locked in your apartment all day. Part time work isn't soul crushing and you still have something to get out of bed for everyday. If you can live a comfortable life working 20 hours a week rather than 40, and you can do it at something that isn't fast food, I think that's a healthy life.

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Analog_AI t1_iqt0una wrote

The companies replace human labor with machines to save money and cut costs, not to spread the wage fund over more employees. They are not philanthropists but competition forced capitalists.

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Devanismyname t1_iqt4qt3 wrote

Not all jobs will be automated right away. Servers, construction, policing, etc. Lower the hours in places where people are still needed.

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Analog_AI t1_iqt53o7 wrote

You are correct: not all jobs will be automated right away, indeed. No one said they will be. They will be automated only when the automation of a job can be done cheaper and with less errors than the same job performed by a human worker. It was always so.

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RubiksSugarCube t1_iqshn4a wrote

By 2030 America's 65+ demo is expected to be ~20% of the population, which is where Japan is right now. If we're going to keep all of these retired people fed, housed, entertained and cared for, we're going to need a lot more automation. We're already experiencing significant labor shortages in all kinds of industries.

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Quealdlor t1_iqsvobe wrote

Yes, that's true. We are seeing labor shortages, instead of automation making people unemployable. So I don't think humans will not perform work in the near future. To the contrary - in the near future there will be A LOT of work to do by humans.

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Artanthos t1_iqt04iq wrote

I’ve physically visited distribution centers that will only have 10% of the work force that would have been required 20 years ago.

Automation is happening today. It’s just not reached the point where the general population has awareness.

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Fun_Prize_1256 t1_iqs0bxi wrote

What percentage of jobs do you think?

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Artanthos t1_iqt1aq2 wrote

In distribution centers, their is approximately a 90% labor reduction between a state-of-the-art facility and a traditional facility.

That is here and now. It is happening today, not the near future.

Mid Journey and related text-to-art AIs are already looking at displacing huge numbers of commercial artists in the next year or two.

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vernes1978 t1_iqsdf4s wrote

I was hoping at least one comment mentioned John Deere can disable your device remotely and requires you to have all repairs done by them.
It's the Apple among agricultural machinery.

UPDATE: more comments about how bad John Deere is. This is a bad development.

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duffmanhb t1_iqrxqr8 wrote

There is a company that does pesticide free automated removal of weeds during the early stages of plants. They are fully sold out for years in advance.

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saucymew t1_iqseffm wrote

For the curious: https://carbonrobotics.com/

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Analog_AI t1_iqrwqe9 wrote

The automation is replacing human jobs in all fields, including services. It is accelerating. Automation always replaced jobs. The difference today is that it is replacing them faster than new jobs are created. Meaning that for the first time, automation is a net destroyer of jobs. That’s what’s new.

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Quealdlor t1_iqsvcox wrote

In fact, unemployment is all time low in many countries. Automation is not replacing jobs faster than it is creating them, as of now. It may change in the future, but not so far. There are a lot of places to work at. And you can create your own business.

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Analog_AI t1_iqszlen wrote

Thanks 😊 I will open a business as soon as I win the jackpot. I don’t have the capital until then.

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Just_Another_AI t1_iqt48c0 wrote

It doesn't take much capital to start a business. Just start small as a side hustle

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Analog_AI t1_iqt4jdv wrote

Depends where you live and the field you chose to enter. In Switzerland it’s quite expensive to open a viable business.

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RubiksSugarCube t1_iqsi062 wrote

Meanwhile the grocery store down the street from me has at least a dozen positions open and they're offering $21.50/hour to start. Across the street is a fast service restaurant offering $19/hour with no apparent takers.

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PureEminence t1_iqt6oxc wrote

Where is this / are they actually paying those rates?

Tons of places have "up to $xx/hr" or "$20*/hr" plastered everywhere across their hiring advertisements but they really mean $7.25 for under 21yo, $10 for under 26yo, and will only offer the full pay they advertise if you're a single parent or meet some other nonsensical criteria.

It's a completely predatory tactic corporations are using to shape a social narrative against the lower classes in an attempt to get them to accept the lower wages via negative social pressure.

It's intentionally trying to warp people's perspective into thinking that jobless people are 'lazy' or 'just don't want to work' when 'there are jobs everywhere!'

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Analog_AI t1_iqsish7 wrote

If I were there I would most likely apply and take it if offered. I live in Switzerland now and we haven’t got such sweet deals. Are you applying? Also, I’m curious, how many applicants per job have they got for those lofty wages? Can you call them up and let us know, please? My guess 25-30 applicants per job. Can you verify, please.

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daltonoreo t1_iqtj9tp wrote

Where is this grocery store, im only getting paid 13$ a hour for 11 hours of factory work

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thehourglasses t1_iqrvudh wrote

With a phosphorus shortage, soil degradation, drought, and extreme heat events. Riiiiiiiight.

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imnos t1_iqsapyg wrote

Right. All for automation but there's little point in it unless you sort out the issues caused by monocultures. Can't automate farming if your soil has all turned to dust.

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slow_ultras t1_iqtix08 wrote

Monocultures are terrible, but I think soil erosion has actually decreased as farmers till less now they have herbicide resistant genetically modified crops.

The climate smart agriculture funding that's part of the inflation and reduction act, should also help increase the uptake of cover crops, no-till, crop rotations etc. which will help protect the soil as well.

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xklove90 t1_iqrv5tr wrote

Yo I think I’ve seen this movie…

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imlisteningtotron t1_iqsbqjs wrote

Question for hopefully those more in the know: how far away are we from vertical farming becoming mainstream? How long would would you expect autonomous robots like this to be relevant for?

Edit: to clarify I mean automation used in a field, not those that would be used for vertical farming.

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SgathTriallair t1_iqseboz wrote

Vertical farming will be easier to automate since the system will already know where each plant is and there won't be any role animals or weather mucking up the system.

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RubiksSugarCube t1_iqsia21 wrote

This may end up being an unintended side effect of work from home adoption: There's the potential that a lot of commercial/office space in or near city centers is going to need to be repurposed at some point.

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darklinux1977 t1_iqt9yw3 wrote

JD is more a problem than a solution, let me explain: their machines run on closed code, like the proprietary UNIX of the 1980s/1990s/2000s, like Microsoft Windows and all flavors of MacOs XI. Apple. It's an old way of thinking about 'software economics'. If GNU/Linux killed the competition in the server environment, it wasn't because it was free, but because it was open code and the community.

The private code blocks the economy. IF JD die, what will become of their customers? they will not be able to maintain their machines, it would be added one crisis to another. As I have said elsewhere , there is nothing to say that a Linus Torvald equivalent , for farmers , is not hacking one of these machines , for an open source equivalence

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daltonoreo t1_iqtj1lq wrote

John Deere is a horrible company, they literally make it so farmers cant repair their own tractors.

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set-271 t1_iqulcb0 wrote

No Right To Repair. Murican Freedumbs

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kala-umba t1_iqsglo9 wrote

That can't be repaired when something breaks xD

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Just_Another_AI t1_iqt4dsz wrote

The John Deere factory authorized repair bits will take care of it as part of the monthly subscription fee

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Quealdlor t1_iqsqv07 wrote

I hope automation kicks into a higher gear and accelerates, because it feels like things are being automated way too slowly. I very much hope for 100% automated farming and harvesting in the 2030s.

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slow_ultras t1_iqtj81p wrote

I think you'll see some farms growing cereal grains that automate planting, fertilizing, pesticide application, and harvesting before 2030.

Might take a bit longer to automate picking more fragile crops like raspberries though.

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cantbuymechristmas t1_iqu2ggr wrote

system: you ran out of tractor minutes, press 7 to top up

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mind4lease t1_iqudpmv wrote

Perfect! Bill Gates won't have to hire any workers for his mega-farms!

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FREE-AOL-CDS t1_iqwgwsz wrote

Not happy about John Deere leading the way tbh

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