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aalluubbaa t1_jegb1ry wrote

Reply to comment by ShowerGrapes in What if language IS the only model needed for intelligence? by wowimsupergay

I think maybe the tipping point is not language in general but written language? Human civilization started to develop once we have language, written language.

So maybe you and op are both right but models like chatgpt are language models, trainined by written lanuage.

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ShowerGrapes t1_jegcv9f wrote

written language came about long after cities and industry and all that. it was the development of agriculture, that freed up time to create more interesting things (initially with clay) and then the wheel (to carry more stuff around) that led to the need to keep track of the massive hoards that local warlords (i.e. 'heroes') were collecting from the subjugated masses. our first written documents were lists of things kept in treasuries and trade lists between cultures.

so you have it backward but the point might still be valid.

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FreshSchmoooooock t1_jegtr0q wrote

lol you serious? Written language came about after industries? omg lol

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ShowerGrapes t1_jeh4c0g wrote

yes. if you define industry as mass-produced objects (in this case tools, mostly) with workers making stuff not for themselves but for someone who is 'paying' them (food, in these early times).

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