TFenrir t1_jdt9bng wrote on March 27, 2023 at 12:33 AM

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Story Compass of AI in Pop Culture by roomjosh

I remember a completely different movie. In what I remember, the AI tries its best to not hurt anyone, and in the end - really doesn't, even when defending itself. And humanity in the end becomes it's own worst enemy, as in its fear of the AI, sets itself down a path of global pain and suffering.

Who's lives did the AI end up sacrificing? Didn't it save a lot of people's lives?

roomjosh OP t1_jdtb07v wrote on March 27, 2023 at 12:47 AM

Yeah, that is more or less what they tried to convey. I think it gets complicated in the sense the the AI/human-hybrid-thing does use force and deception to get it's way. As an audience we don't know when the AI decided to sacrifice itself or who was in control at any given moment. Reminders of Nietzsche's Superman (Übermensch.)

>"So alien are ye in your souls to what is great, that to you the Superman would be FRIGHTFUL in his goodness!" -Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

I placed Transcendence between optimistic/cautionary because of what I perceived as romanticism in the film. If the mad scientist inventor was into Marquis de Sade it would be horrific instead of wish fulfillment. The story revolves around one man and his preferences. Its romantic.

fastinguy11 t1_jdtjcf4 wrote on March 27, 2023 at 1:56 AM

definitely in the good side this a.i was, the story itself was pessimistic though

vernes1978 t1_jduyhfq wrote on March 27, 2023 at 11:57 AM

So, according to CHATGPT, the AI PINN becomes malevolent, and as a result of this, merges with the mind of Dr. Will Caster.

Like TFenrir, I remember the choice of merging wasn't one made by PINN, but by his Wife.
So, do we tell people like TFenrir they're wrong?
Or fact check the stuff ChatGPT spits out?

I'd put Transcendence under Cautionary Good.
It's where we're unable to accept anything uploaded as the person itself.
Which isn't a problem if it's literately a person controlling a single speaker.
But it becomes a disaster when it's a mindupload with the capacity of growth of an AI.
Unable to accept it's the person but instead an uncaring AI, any growth is seen as a threat.

The Evil AI was always a projection of the observers.

Artanthos t1_jduxu1n wrote on March 27, 2023 at 11:51 AM

I’m not going to fight them, I’m going to transcend them.

Even when attacked, he took the mora high ground instead of killing his attackers.

Everything he did, he did for love. Playing the stock market was a perfectly legitimate means to an end.

He needed money to finance his research, with the end goals of saving the planet from climate change (his wife’s passion) and returning to a biological body.