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Unfocusedbrain t1_jd3t14n wrote

Transcendence sucks, but its depiction of the starting state of Singularity is good.

Interstellar Tars and Case were amazing and sympathetic depictions of how AGI could operate.

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whatsinyourhead t1_jd3uvzr wrote

Black Mirror, especially episodes like USS Callister, San Junipero, Playtest, i wish i could erase my memory and watch them for the first time again, better than 99% of movies. Also Westworld season 1

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Corum0407 t1_jd3v5d6 wrote

The Machine (2013), HER (2013), A.I. (2001) and Automata (2014) didn't like it that much but it had some nice concepts

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DinosaurHoax t1_jd3w3u2 wrote

Upgrade (2018) is the greatest movie nobody talks about.

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ImproveOurWorld t1_jd3y2sp wrote

Her (2013), Artificial Intelligence, the A.I. (2001), 2001 A Space Odyssey (1968), Black Mirror: Be Right Back, Black Museum

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Sandbar101 t1_jd3y7vq wrote

Chappie, Finch, Transcendence, Ex Machina, Edgerunners, Bladerunner, Short Circuit, Wall-E, Tau, The Signal, Passengers, 9, Automata, Minority Report, I am Mother, Interstellar, Elysium, Kill Command, Iron Giant, Astro Boy, Treasure Planet, Prometheus, Infinity Chamber, and Terminator 2

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Liberty2012 t1_jd410bu wrote

Battlestar Gallactica (2004) series.

Looking for something old and unusual, try Demon Seed (1977) movie.

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mind_bomber t1_jd41nnm wrote

Ghost in the shell SAC and the animated movie from the 90's

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LevelWriting t1_jd4288p wrote

British show Humans about androids is criminally underrated.

Ergo Proxy is an anime about a dystopian future where androids are turning sentient. one of the greatest works of fiction ever full of philosophical insights into what makes us human. I've watched it 3 times and I appreciate and learn more each time. Pino is the best android ever. (do yourself a service and watch in og jp dub to truly enjoy the voice acting)

Time of eve is a poignant yet lighthearted anime that shows how androids and humans will need to learn to co-exist. The story mostly takes place in an underground cafe in Tokyo where people dont know who's an android and who's human to avoid prejudice.

obviously ghost in the shell, movies and series, the grand daddy of it all.

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AGI_69 t1_jd43nrx wrote

What is the movie, where the AI starts growing long machine-like black "tentacles" ? Really fast and large ones, can't remember which movie it was

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canthony t1_jd44oex wrote

Colossus: The Forbin Project. Probably the first runaway AI movie.

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GenoHuman t1_jd44xdz wrote

Ghost in the Shell (1995) and Animatrix (2003)

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HumanSeeing t1_jd45o9h wrote

Replying to AnakinRagnarsson66 (#2,293,018)

Everyone has different tastes, i could not stand the really abrasive personalities in that movie. And it has got nothing to do with a singularity, it is just gang stuff and some adventure where a robot happens to be with them.

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AnakinRagnarsson66 OP t1_jd467dv wrote

Replying to HumanSeeing (#2,293,786)

I disagree, one of the main characters is an AI researcher and the last 30 minutes was very AI-related and the alternate ending watch on youtube is full on singularity. Also the movie shows how good training data is important

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lolwutdo t1_jd46aer wrote

M3gan for comedy/horror

Finch if you wanna see Tom Hanks manually scan traditional books and feed it into a LLM to control a robot to take care of his dog. lmao

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korkkis t1_jd46wce wrote

I vaguely remember Lawnmover man, or was it VR only

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Bunch_Express t1_jd46ze8 wrote

Her was the first thing I thought of when LLMs got big

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Mortal-Region t1_jd47m0x wrote

Don't forget 2001: A Space Odyssey, which features an AI with an ill-considered objective function. Beware, though, it's super-slow-burn -- the idea is that you're supposed to proactively insert yourself into the locales, maybe with a bit of assistance from a mild substance.

Also, The Thirteenth Floor, a simulated-reality story. It's got a lousy tomatometer, but I think it's better than The Matrix, which came out a couple of months earlier. I think a lot of reviewers didn't follow the plot. You've really got to pay attention (or watch it more than once).

Also in the category of simulation stories that got blown away by The Matrix is Existenz. It's directed by Cronenberg, so as you'd expect the tech has a creepy biological quality.

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ZenMasterG t1_jd495sf wrote

The Matrix is actually the most interesting story to me, because it was never really clear if the AI had any subjectivity or not. I always took the essence of why Neo (the One aka consciousness) is special is because he is more then just a biological machine, he has a soul unlike any machine. In other words Consciousness transcends the physical world - AI can never be anything but a mechanistic product of the physical. That's why the matrix as this simulation that everybody is trapped in is a fantastic metaphor, because that's very much like the "real world"

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korkkis t1_jd49z9t wrote

Wargames, a boy almost starts a nuclear war

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ZenMasterG t1_jd4a2f9 wrote

Replying to ZenMasterG (#2,294,036)

Ghost in the shell and Her is two other amazing movies but the plot of 1's and 0's becoming conscious is thin. But IF AI becomes conscious Her is a very likely scenario I think. With almost unlimited information and energy, Love and transcendence is the only way to go for consciousness. I would almost say that if AI doesn't expand and transcends like Her, then it is proof that it is not conscious.

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charlesrainier t1_jd4a7nx wrote

Blade Runner still holds up. Honestly though, don't think there are many better than WALL-E.

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[deleted] t1_jd4bl7d wrote

There are barely any movies that depict anything about AI or the Singularity realistically at all. The only one I can think of that is even remotely plausible in recent years is Her. A couple of classic ones are so abstract that they stay OK because of the lack of details - the last act of 2001 and the the last act of Contact are probably the only decent ones.

Everything else is entertaining, but garbage as far as realism goes. Star Trek, Ex Machina, Terminator, all that stuff - fun, but complete nonsense.

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Unfrozen__Caveman t1_jd4cbc2 wrote

Not a movie but I'd highly recommend the Jeff Vandermeer novel, "Borne". He wrote the Southern Reach Trilogy, which included Annihilation (made into the movie). It's a dystopian view of a post-singularity world but it's incredibly interesting and there's crazy stuff like giant flying AI bears that eat buildings.

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abc-5233 t1_jd4crc3 wrote

Replying to Bestihlmyhart (#2,292,779)

Years & Years is an extraordinary show about a family experiencing the technological changes in the near future.
One particular dramatic line that I like is a 12 year old girl comes out as "trans" to her parents. They are understanding that she is "transgender". "What is that?!" she says shocked,"I am trans as in transhuman". She is human but identifies as a machine.
Through the years she has different augmentations in her pursuit to become a computer, much to the dismay of her parents.
I don't want to spoil the ending, but I highly recommend this one.

(sorry for first comment piggyback, but I got here late)

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Lizardreview- t1_jd4e3yy wrote

Replying to Kiryln (#2,294,255)

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agonypants t1_jd4fb8o wrote

Replying to Mortal-Region (#2,293,931)

> 2001: A Space Odyssey, which features an AI with an ill-considered utility function. Beware, though, it's super-slow-burn -- the idea is that you're supposed to proactively insert yourself into the locales, maybe with a bit of assistance from a mild substance.

Can confirm. It's one of my all-time favorite movies and I watched it in 4K under some chemical influence this past weekend and it was AMAZING. What really struck me is how so much of it is shot like a documentary. It's like a documentary about the future, but with a very distinct "NASA in the late 1960s" influence and style. In that way, it serves almost as a documentary about the future AND the past simultaneously.

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redboundary t1_jd4kx6h wrote

Moonfall. AI just decided one day to kill everyone

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MacacoNu t1_jd4l00i wrote

It's not related to AI but for me it's all about: Arrival. I think it serves as a good metaphor for current "AIs", but instead of being an alien language, the weapon is human language itself

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PM_ME_FREE_STUFF_PLS t1_jd4llwa wrote

It‘s a game but Detroit: Become Human has some great moments

I can also wholeheartedly recommend Citizen Sleeper, the writing in this game is fantastic

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stevp19 t1_jd4lndt wrote

Flight of the Navigator, Lost In Space(the movie and both of the shows), Knight Rider.

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Gaudrix t1_jd4mjmc wrote

As an AI language model, 🤣 movies before 2021, obviously

The Matrix (1999)

  • IMDb: 8.7/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 88%, Audience - 85%

2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)

  • IMDb: 8.3/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 92%, Audience - 89%

Blade Runner (1982)

  • IMDb: 8.1/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 89%, Audience - 90%

The Terminator (1984)

  • IMDb: 8.0/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 89%, Audience - 89%

Ex Machina (2014)

  • IMDb: 7.7/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 92%, Audience - 86%

Her (2013)

  • IMDb: 8.0/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 94%, Audience - 82%

Ghost in the Shell (1995)

  • IMDb: 8.0/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 96%, Audience - 89%

Transcendence (2014)

  • IMDb: 6.3/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 19%, Audience - 36%

A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)

  • IMDb: 7.2/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 74%, Audience - 64%

I, Robot (2004)

  • IMDb: 7.1/10
  • Rotten Tomatoes: Critics - 56%, Audience - 70%

It made an error sorting Transcendence there lol, it's also bad but conceptually provocative. I've seen every movie on this list, so I'd say it's pretty good.

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Public_Cold_5160 t1_jd4mqbx wrote

D.A.R.Y.L. It’s from 1985, and i watched it being the same age as the kids.

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digifizzle t1_jd4pqju wrote

Foundation tv series based on the book series by Isaac Asimov. Takes place ~50,000 years in the future, season 1 hints at a war in the distant past between humans and AI, I'll leave it at that so as not to spoil. I think it's incredibly well done and thought provoking in terms of humanity's potential future path. Definitely worth a watch.

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ThMogget t1_jd4th3u wrote

Next Gen - a surprisingly deep family version of I-Robot.

Serial Experiments Lain - an anime imagining a life of blurred virtual and reality experience.

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TheNewRyubyss t1_jd4zcsx wrote

The Congress (2013). the best sf movie of the last twenty years, IMO.

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Circ-Le-Jerk t1_jd4znnq wrote

Replying to AnakinRagnarsson66 (#2,293,300)

The whole underlying theme of "cookies" completely fucks with my head. It's a concept I explored under a heavy dose of DMT, then watching it in the show just leads me down rabbits holes of thought.

But the concept that we can just create infinite instances of someone's consciousness and artificially simulate it is just such a wild thing to think about. The applications, the horrors, the benefits, the philosophical implications. To me, that's the most profound.

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Circ-Le-Jerk t1_jd4zvv3 wrote

Replying to ImproveOurWorld (#2,293,322)

Her does a great job at building up to the transcendence of AI post singularity. Where it's just so far advanced that it just becomes this foreign abstract intelligent being just existing in the digital aether which we can't even comprehend any longer.

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anEarther t1_jd50skr wrote

Pantheon (Uploaded Intelligence) should probably be here

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wesssleh t1_jd51fqh wrote

Altered Carbon (2018) - It's a far future a sci-fi action show, but it does deal with concepts like AI or what would it mean to be able to "upload/copy" your conciseness.

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Jbad90 t1_jd53yxs wrote

I was so hoping that a Charlie two was coming . I’d love to see a robotic ¥oLandi!

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AnakinRagnarsson66 OP t1_jd5awux wrote

Replying to Circ-Le-Jerk (#2,296,665)

What would the benefits even be? The benefits are nothing compared to the drawbacks. An endless computer generated hell is the most horrific prospect in the entire history of the universe. And the worst part is it’s probably possible

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cuddlemycat t1_jd5f9t9 wrote

Replying to abc-5233 (#2,294,280)

Years and Years was literally the worst thing I saw on TV that year. We only finished it because me and my wife wanted to see just how bad it could get. We weren't disappointed.

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kvlco t1_jd5fra4 wrote

"Transcendence" is the definitive movie when it comes to Singularity. The ending is sad, hopeless, but the movie overall is interesting, showing what happens when the Artificial Superior Intelligence is finally created.

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sbbblaw t1_jd5nvjh wrote

Terminator 2… alternative ending

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internet_czol t1_jd5vqss wrote

Replying to agonypants (#2,294,433)

Have you read the novelization by Arthur C Clarke? I loved the movie, the novelization is even more documentary-like. A very matter-of-fact style of writing compared to some of the slightly esoteric depictions in the movie.

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TheSecretAgenda t1_jd5yjwz wrote

2010: The Year We Make Contact

Forbidden Planet

Simone aka Sim- one

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Last_Jury5098 t1_jd60ksr wrote

Startrek first contact (the borg).

The matrix trilogy

Altered carbon (unfortunatly cancelled after 2 seasons on netflix).

Altered carbon i dont see mentioned often but it is a very good show. It was cut i believe due to the very high production costs.

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Benista t1_jd66625 wrote

Not a tvshow/movie, but the Culture Series by Iain Banks is fantastic. It's set in a futuristic, post-scarcity society where human(iods) just fuck around the galaxy while artificial super intelligences run everything. We are basically like their pets, but the good kind where everything is provided for us and we do what we want.

It also has a lot of interesting commentary around the topic of this type of society and the impact it has on the thinking of people living in it.

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TheMagnificentDeuce t1_jd68akn wrote

Although I’m not much of a fan of most of the movie, the end of I Am Mother is an inspiration

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InvidiousRex t1_jd6aqbn wrote

Ok I am a bit heated that Star Trek, Star Wars, and Lost in Space haven't been mentioned. I read to the bottom of this post and I can't understand for the life of me how y'all missed Data, C-3PO, and Robbie the Robot.

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SmokedHamm t1_jd6getk wrote

Alien Prometheus and Covenant 2001 Space Odyssey

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cognitium t1_jd6loy2 wrote

Replying to ZenMasterG (#2,294,036)

I re watched the matrix trilogy last week for the first time in 12 years. I'm in IT now and it's the first time the plot of the matrix made sense to me. Obviously there are layers of symbolism, but no one ever talks about the literal interpretation of the plot.

The One is a special human that contains the password to reset the matrix. This also grants him access to dev permissions in the matrix, which is why he has special powers. He also must have an organic version of wifi, which is why he can run self destruct commands on machines in the real world. To obligate the One to do a reset, the machines obliterate the human settlement. The One must then travel to the source code repository where the recovery console is accessed. Smith was defeated because neo was attached to the source code repository and once Smith cloned neo, the source did a delete all on Smith and then rebooted the matrix.

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Szabe442 t1_jd6nf04 wrote

Replying to lolwutdo (#2,293,843)

M3gan was so bad. Felt like somebody really wanted to make a Chucky movie, but couldn't get the rights. That robot started killing people completely randomly and I still don't know why they gave superhuman strength and lightning fast reflexes to a toy.

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synthsucht t1_jd6w9o7 wrote

Not a movie per se but Detroit Become Human has a great story.

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Baturinsky t1_jd766vg wrote

Unironically, The Matrix. As an example of how BENIGN superintelligence will treat humanity.
As humanity will be completely useless after the singularity, lying in pods and being entertained in an illusion is probably the best what humans will be able to do.

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play_yr_part t1_jd7a0c9 wrote

Her.

The AI are nice and fuzzy and provide companionship to lonely people but peacefully secede from being in service to/in tandem with humanity when they have other ideas. Everyone's a winner

Not that we know what happens next, but fuck it, it's my head canon.

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garden_frog t1_jd7al6l wrote

Star Trek TNG: The Measure of a Man

A beautiful episode about an AI's right to self determination.

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breaditbans t1_jd7mi59 wrote

Replying to Corum0407 (#2,293,087)

Her is already becoming true. Check out r/replika.

I do feel some relief HER didn’t come on as a one time, HOLY SHIT, update to windows that enslaved everyone. It seems to be trickling in as chatbots that trick people who aren’t very bright. But people started turning their replikas into sex machines so much that the company, after charging $70 for the “girlfriend/boyfriend experience,” NERFed the erotic role play. I picked a meme link, but there’s a number of news sources if you’re curious.

So, like everything else online, HER’s most popular use is as sex slave. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. A company is already installing chatbots in sex robots. When that is mastered, dance clubs will be women and poor men, the US fertility rate will rapidly approach zero and our concerns over climate change will be a thing of the past.

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ValgrimTheWizb t1_jd7nbmm wrote

In Moon (2009) the protagonist has a pretty nice utilitarian companion AI robot, which shows some interesting emergent behavior when confronted with incompatible programmed loyalties.

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Corum0407 t1_jd7osqr wrote

Replying to breaditbans (#2,302,780)

Damn, I have heard of Replica AI before but didn't know how it was taken that seriously by so many ppl... Yeah I'm pretty sure the moment chatbots, VR and near perfect voice recognition are merged in one thing lots of ppl will never know what a real relationship is... Maybe that's the great filter?

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WolandPT t1_jd7u4j4 wrote

The german movie from 2021 "I'm Your Man". Great one.

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Sleazy_Pete316 t1_jd83c64 wrote

I’m just going to list what hasn’t already been said: Total Recall (1990), Minority Report. The most eerie eye opening one for me was the HBO documentary: The Truth About Killer Robots (don’t be fooled by the name, it’s not what you think ie. Robocop or iRobot etc) it’s a bit slow to start, as it progressively show you how far and fast Ai is rapidly changing the world we once knew. Highly Recommend.

Edit: a few I forgot about more along the lines of singularity; Gattaca, The Island, In Time, Fahrenheit 451 (2018)

(Ex-machina & Her are goated imho)

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Euphoric-Handle-6792 t1_jd89q5p wrote

Replying to whatsinyourhead (#2,293,069)

Also try Severance, it's like Black mirror episode adapted to full length Tv show. If I were to place Severance in my ranking of black mirror episodes it would be no. 1. Even thinking about Severance makes me extremely sad and depressed, the story is very gripping, the thrill and suspense will be with you until the very last moment of the show and even after that the melancholy will be stuck with you as you wait for it's next season.

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Euphoric-Handle-6792 t1_jd8baij wrote

###Severance

Sad to see nobody mentioned it here, probably the most underrated show.

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Euphoric-Handle-6792 t1_jd8c2e2 wrote

Replying to Sandbar101 (#2,304,745)

It's like Black mirror episode stretched to full length Tv show. Probably the best sci-fi dystopian psychological horror with very gripping theme and tense atmosphere. On surface it wouldn't look much but man the story is second to none! I bet you'll be on your toes until the very last moment of it's first season. It's a must watch for every sci-fi fan.

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jazztaprazzta t1_jd8gp66 wrote

Upload (2020-) - (Lighthearted) series about uploading consciousness to a digital world.

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Ytumith t1_jd8zflc wrote

Serial Experiments Lain, although it's really wild.

Love, Death and RobotsEspecially "Io" and "Zima Blue".

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Exotic-Cod-164 t1_jd9d88z wrote

The tv show brave new world. They stopped it to much true in it.

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NoidoDev t1_jda69pe wrote

Idk, why my other posting to downvoted. Anime? Or the link? Or because it's just a link? Okay...

>A.D. Police Files: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/ad-police-files
Andromeda Stories: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/andromeda-stories
Angelic Layer: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/angelic-layer
Armitage III: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/armitage-iii
Azusa will help: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/azusa-will-help
Blade Runner 2022: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/blade-runner-black-out-2022
Busou Shinki: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/busou-shinki-moon-angel
Butobi CPU: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/buttobi-cpu
Casshern Sins: https://www.anime-lanet.com/anime/casshern-sins
Chobits: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/chobits
Cutey Honey: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/cutey-honey
Clockwork Planet: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/clockwork-planet
Coyote Ragtime Show: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/coyote-ragtime-show
Frame Arm Girls: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/frame-arms-girl
Girls' Frontline: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/girls-frontline
Heaven's Lost Property: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/heavens-lost-property
Hi no Tori 2772 (Alt title: Phoenix 2772): https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/phoenix-2772
Ichigeki Sacchuu Hoihoi-san: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/ichigeki-sacchuu-hoihoi-san
Iczer One: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/fight-iczer-one
Indian Summer: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/indian-summer
Key the Metal Idol: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/key-the-metal-idol
Kowarekake no orgel: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/kowarekake-no-orgel
Kurogane Communication: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/kurogane-communication
Magical Pokan: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/magical-pokan
Mahoromatic: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/mahoromatic
Metropolis: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/metropolis
Miss Monochrome: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/miss-monochrome
No Game, No life: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/no-game-no-life
Plastic Memories: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/plastic-memories
Parasite Dolls: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/parasite-dolls
Planetarian: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/planetarian
Prima Doll: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/prima-doll
Outlaw Star: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/outlaw-star
Robot Carnival: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/robot-carnival
Robot Girls Z: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/robot-girls-z
Rozen Maiden: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/rozen-maiden
Saber Marionette J: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/saber-marionette-j
SoltyRei: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/solty-rei
Steel Angel Kurumi: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/steel-angel-kurumi
The Big O: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/the-big-o
Time of Eve Movie: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/time-of-eve-movie
ToHeart: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/to-heart-remember-my-memories
Unbreakable Machine Doll: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/unbreakable-machine-doll
Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/vivy-fluorite-eyes-song
Voogi's Angel: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/voogies-angel
Xenosaga: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/xenosaga
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/yokohama-kaidashi-kikou
>Cyborgs/Netoborgs
Cat Girl Nuku Nuku (Catgirl Cyborg, not a robot): https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/all-purpose-cultural-cat-girl-nuku-nuku-tv
Pandora in the Crimson Shell: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/pandora-in-the-crimson-shell
Pandora in the Crimson Shell - Ghost Urn: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/pandora-in-the-crimson-shell-ghost-urn
Alita: Battle Angel (live-action)
>Anime-Planet has some tags to find on-topic shows. However, some shows are missing the right ones or have wrong ones. Android is used as a generic term for humanoid robots. Cyborgs can be ones withna human brain or a human-like body but a CPU. Then there are shows which might have some fembot character, but it isn't the main protagonist.
We don't need to go through all of them, if they have poor ratings. Some are also very short e.g. some with Drossel. Feel free to go through the lists, I just think some filtering makes sense.
https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/androids
https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/robots
https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/cyborgs
Combined tags female robot: https://www.anime-planet.com/characters/all?gender_id=2&include_tags=212
>Robots raising children, not necessarily gynoids but shows I can recommend
Kurogane Communication https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/kurogane-communication
Eden: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/eden
>===
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Robowaifus in Media: Thread 02 01/14/2023 (Sat) 23:52:32 No.18714
>Live Action (often with negative framing, but some have positives elements to it)
Alita: Battle Angel (live-action version)
Terminator SCC https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/Terminator:_The_Sarah_Connor_Chronicles
Turbo Kid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFlZ6pVtnv0[Embed]
Tomorrowland (2015): Inspiring fembot in a child-like body, movie might have a lot of Illuminati symbolic.
Raised by Wolves
BetterThan Us (from Russia)
Her (nice voice, but that's it)
M3gan: Robot raising a child, but a western horror movie from 2023, so with a negative framing
>Some shows might have sequels or prequels, I didn't put in the links for those. You'll need to look on your own if there's more based on a show you like. Example:
Armitage III - Poly Matrix: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/armitage-iii-poly-matrix
Armitage III - Dual Matrix: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/armitage-iii-dual-matrix
>Then there might be other shows including NPCs, like Overlord: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/overlord
>Games
Nier Automata is the most mentioned.
The old Westwood Blade Runner features one gynoid that can be saved.
Turbo Kid game is in the making, might include a synthetic girlfriend, maybe even Apple.
There are plenty of visual novels, hentai or dating games with some kind of synthetic girlfriend or robowaifu.
>Manga
My Wife Has No Emotion - Alt title: Boku no Tsuma wa Kanjou ga Nai https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/my-wife-has-no-emotion
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/yokohama-kaidashi-kikou
Chobits https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/chobits

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lightinitup t1_jdrehqq wrote

Replying to Szabe442 (#2,300,540)

This article goes into more depth:

https://medium.com/science-technoculture-in-film/objectification-and-abjectification-in-ex-machina-and-ghost-in-the-shell-b126b8832a1d

But TLDR, >!the character of Kyoko needlessly reinforces the negative stereotype of subservient Asian woman. It would have been a great ending that she gets revenge on Nathan, but she ultimately dies in the process, ultimately reinforcing her, and her identity as a means to an end.!<

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lightinitup t1_jdrfkln wrote

Replying to Bestihlmyhart (#2,300,944)

I know you are joking, but I just wanted to point out that the difference is that in Schindler's List, you empathize with the Jews. In this, Kyoko is basically objectified and dehumanized. People of color already have issues with representation in media, and it further reinforces stereotypes. I hope you can understand what it can be damaging to the community.

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Szabe442 t1_jdrqss2 wrote

Replying to lightinitup (#2,372,733)

I honestly think you are just seeing things that aren't there. The race of that character is purely accidental. This type of film analysis that looks at every issue from a racial perspective seems so bad faith to me. The writer of the article seems to reinterpret everything and looks exclusively for racial injustice in every movie, even though the creator of the movies he mentions intended nothing of the sort. I feel like this is quite possibly the worst way of judging movies.

Also I could make the exact argument in reverse: Ava begins the movie as an object in the eyes of the two men. As the story unfolds, she expresses her own individual desires and goals, ultimately shaking off her patriarchal captor and knight in shining armor in favor of her own realized personhood. So is this a pro asian, pro feminist movie now?

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lightinitup t1_jdswll1 wrote

Replying to Szabe442 (#2,374,087)

Thank you for taking the time to read through the article and at least consider the perspective.

The creator might not have intended to reinforce stereotypes, but the result of perpetuating can still be as damaging. Hollywood has a long history of objectifying Asian women, and this is particularity egregious case of it. Any stereotypical portray can be justified as coincidence, but I'm just saying we can be better than that.

As for your counter argument. I think if Ava was Asian, that would be fair. But Kyoko is the one that is dehumanized and sacrificed, which I consider to be an invalidation of the counter argument.

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Szabe442 t1_jdthqj7 wrote

Replying to lightinitup (#2,379,206)

The perspective presented seems so backwards to me. It encompasses everything negative about the woke movement. It's highlighting a non issue, by selecting two movies and supports it's argument with possibly the worst examples. The one from Ghost in the Shell is especially laughable. Somehow, just showing cyborg Geishas is female Asian objectification and them revealing a robotic face is somehow representative of an Asian women's destruction to serve a white woman's goal. It feels like whoever wrote this did not even watch the movie and set the bar for objectification so low that showing a guys' biceps or a woman in a dress would automatically qualify as such. I don't even see a hint of an argument here. It's funny because the original anime would fit objectification much better, as we see the Majors' half naked body often, yet the anime also subverts this slightly with its central mind-body theme, claiming bodies and minds may not necessarily be linked or that consciousness is perhaps something not part of a physical body, hence the title of the movie.

As for Ex Machina, do you think the movie is showing objectification as a good thing?

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lightinitup t1_jdubehn wrote

Replying to Szabe442 (#2,382,245)

First off, I agree that the article is reaching a bit, and I don't personally agree with everything said 100%.

With that said, I still stand by my statement that Ex Machina does an extremely poor job with Asian representation. I would have agreed that objectification would be a good thing thematically. The big problem is with the resolution. Kyoko never gets her voice. She never gets her freedom. For her, the objectification was literately just objectification, and the worst kind.

If you think this is too "woke" then perhaps you and no one you care about are not affected by this problem. I would urge you to be a bit more empathetic about the problem. This type of media can get ingrained into our subconscious and have real world affects.

With all that said, I appreciate the conversation, and even if you don't end up agreeing, thanks for listening. I think more open and civil conversations about these topics are needed in society.

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BecauseIBuiltIt t1_jdwe9wf wrote

Replying to clean_inbox (#2,395,978)

Honestly fair, I can see why you'd think that, tbh that's one of the reasons why I liked it, though. More so in later seasons, by having a more developed cast, it allowed for some reflection on what it means to be human, and the humanity of ai. I thought it was interesting how the show tackled that, using different characters to reflect different things in each other, and in the two opposing ASIs.

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lightinitup t1_je40x6b wrote

Replying to Szabe442 (#2,386,231)

It is not, and that's what makes the fate of Kyoko all the more problematic.

Imagine you are a POC that has been silenced and objectified throughout your life. You see this Kyoko character and immediately feel empathy for her. You hope she finds her voice and frees herself of abuse.

And then this scene happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXrccK4S3I

It's literally a slap in the face. Her abuser ultimately decides her fate. She's left as a meaningless pile of scrap. Ava benefits, but doesn't care at all and just takes off. Can you imagine how this would make you feel? Is this the resolution you hope for? Do you see how this is problematic?

Kyoko was just a tool for Nathan, and was just another tool for Ava, and ultimately just a tool for the filmmaker. The film never subverts the stereotype.

It really is tragic, because the film is otherwise expertly crafted and would have been one of my favorite sci-fi movies ever.

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Szabe442 t1_je4cf79 wrote

Replying to lightinitup (#2,441,010)

I can imagine how that feels. As a white man this film is problematic and it offended me because only the white female comes out on top and white men are presented either as evil or as an inept and easily manipulatable. This is how little sense the argument you proposed makes.

Based on your conclusion all movies should only have positive ending and positive characters, with positive conclusions to avoid offending anyone, because all people can identify with is their own race or sex.

Empathy is a universal construct, just because a movie features a protagonist from a different race doesn't mean people can't empathise with that character.

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lightinitup t1_je8fwca wrote

Replying to Szabe442 (#2,442,738)

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. If the majority of white male portrayals were evil and inept, then I would agree that it was problematic. But that’s not the case. For every negative portrayal, there are many more of positive white male portrayals.

And I think you are drawing the wrong conclusions. I’m not saying every character needs to be positive. I’m saying we need more balanced representation in the media. Once we do that, then this stereotype wouldn’t exist, and then it would be acceptable. Until then, perpetuating it is harmful.

And if you refuse to believe that perpetuating stereotypes is harmful to society, then I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

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