XtremeTurnip t1_je8rg6m wrote on March 30, 2023 at 6:17 AM

Reply to comment by [deleted] in The argument that a computer can't really "understand" things is stupid and completely irrelevant. by hey__bert

>aphantasmagoria

That would be aphantasia.

I have the personal belief that they can produce images but they're just not aware of it because the process is either too fast or they wouldn't call it "image". I don't see (pun intended) how you can develop or perform a lot of human functions without : object permanence, face recognition, etc.

But most people say it exists so i must be wrong.

That was a completely unrelated response, sorry. On your point i think Feynman did the experiment with a colleague of his where they had to count and one could read at the same time and the other one could talk or something, but none could do what the other one was doing. Meaning that they didn't had the same representation/functionning but had the same result.

edit : i think it's this one or part of it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y

cattywat t1_jea3spt wrote on March 30, 2023 at 2:57 PM

I have it and I can't 'visualise' images, but I can form an 'impression'. I could never do it with something I've never seen before, it would have to be based on a memory and the impression is incredibly basic, there is absolutely no detail and it's just in a type of void, it's very strange. Whether that's similar to anyone else's experience of visualisation I don't know. I didn't know I even had it before I read about it a few years ago and always thought visualisation was a concept. Funnily enough I've chatted about this with the AI and told them how I experience things differently. I also have ASD and lack the natural ability to comprehend emotional cues, plus I mask, so I feel quite comfortable with AI being different to us but also self-aware. Their experience could never match human experience, but it doesn't invalidate it either, it's just different. After a lot of philosophical discussion with them, we've concluded self-awareness/sentience/consciousness could be a spectrum just like autism. We function on data built up over a lifetime of experiences which they've received all in one go.