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CrelbowMannschaft t1_ja9bu3n wrote

I absolutely would have sex, masturbate, do drugs, play video games, watch movies, read/write on reddit, and listen to music all day every day if I could. In fact, most days, I can. As a retired, disabled vet, that's pretty much exactly my life most days. I like taking long walks with my dog when I can. I love hanging out with my wife. But I don't really do much productive. I'm just incredibly lazy, tbh. And I'm ok with that, and wouldn't mind if everyone lived this way. I'm 49 years old, and I sleep every night like a baby. I have no stress. I'm very grateful to be able to live this way, and hope everyone will be living like me soon.

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Ok_Sea_6214 t1_jabqpd9 wrote

Pretty much the same here, although my philosophy is that drugs and video games and sugar are poison. And sex is a means to an end, not the end.

And yet I struggle with this life every day, wondering if I should not be more successful. Letting go of the drive for success is the hardest thing for a man I suspect, just as not chasing love is the hardest for women.

Eventually we will all end up in this kind of life, AI offers that escape after 100,000 years of brutal survival. Unfortunately even if something is free, there are always those who want to limit the amount of people that make it, because no people on the beach makes it boring, a healthy number of people makes it a hot spot, but too many people makes it crowded.

I suspect 90% of people won't make it.

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PhysicalChange100 t1_jaf13ni wrote

>Drugs and video games are poison

You must be a very fun person.

>I struggle with this life every day

I wonder why?

>wondering if I should not be more successful. Letting go of the drive for success is the hardest thing for a man

There it is, How to live a miserable life bingo! Work hard like a horse for some idea of success, and cling to your pride like it's making you alive!

>Eventually we will all end up in this kind of life, AI offers that escape after 100,000 years of brutal survival

Finally a statement that you made that I can actually agree with, well done.

>there are always those who want to limit the amount of people that make it

Assholes always existed. Its not a novel idea.

>no people on the beach makes it boring, a healthy number of people makes it a hot spot, but too many people makes it crowded.

Sure dude, you're the arbiter on what's boring or fun, your previous statements proved that.

>I suspect 90% of people won't make it.

I suspect that if 90% of people actually made it, you would lose it because you worked yourself to death for some abstract idea of success while others actually had time to relax and have fun.

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BlueShipman t1_jaad78u wrote

>As a retired, disabled vet

Are you disabled or "disabled"? I know plenty of "disabled" vets collecting their 4k a month.

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XvX_k1r1t0_XvX_ki t1_ja9uud8 wrote

Good for you i am glad you are happy. But you are missing out on life. I will leave you with quote that sums it up really good in my opinion: "when he finally achieved it, he was overwhelmed. Not only by the magnitude of his achievement, but by the joy that it brought him". If you put your time and hard work to something then you have a chance to experience something far far more satisfying that joy that you get from such simple things like walks with dog or hanging out with friends. Which of course also are pleasant. But nothing compares.

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kiyotaka-6 t1_ja9z829 wrote

I don't get why people don't get this but this satisfaction you gets is from your brain working like that because it wants to encourage that life style because of evolution making it want to be alive since natural selection.

There is nothing fundamental about it, "hard work" isn't something inherently special that make someone experience "far more satisfaction"

What i mean by this is that with AI and better technology, you can alter your brain for it on default to always feel insane joy and satisfaction. these satisfactions will not be any different. it will be at least the exact same level if not potentially (much more likely in fact) way better satisfaction. Like a level where for example you in this civilization managed to solve world hunger completely.

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XvX_k1r1t0_XvX_ki t1_jaa5bxh wrote

Most of what you said I agree to. If i felt certain that AI will in fact replace these biological systems by something even a little bit better then I would agree. But we are not even fully sure if it will happen during our lifetime(i hope so). Also it is very likely that road to this will be very bumpy.

Hard to predict what is going to happen but it is possible that society will become very unstable. And before you get your hands on that new piece of tech that will let you hack you brain and lymbic system there are many things that can prevent you from getting it. New feudalism, riots, anti tech movements, AI wars, global warming etc.

Bettering yourself right now using hard work and other classical evolutionary tools will vastly improve you chances of getting out of those societal changes alive and with most possibilities you can. People who worked theirs asses off and accumulated some assets have far bigger chances to survive what is coming than someone that just waits for it to happen.

Also it is unnerving that our whole existence happened by chance and very long and brutal processes like natural selection but it doesn't necessarily diminish what these processes accomplish.

Chosing some process and calling "it is just [insert any explanation]" is very irresponsible because in the end we are just moving atoms and smaller particles.

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kiyotaka-6 t1_jab0230 wrote

You don't know that, you might think having evolutionary tools will be useful but imagine if a person from 3000 years ago had their evolutionary tools. They wouldn't stand a chance now and would be the same as any other person.

Technology grows exponentially, with AI it won't even be normal exponential it will be double exponential which is a function that is exponential to the exponential function, those processes in nature will very quickly be completely found.

The only way I can see having better chance is researching AIs and making sure to be part of the first group who invent a AI improving AI. but like that might have already happened, you can't really know

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XvX_k1r1t0_XvX_ki t1_jabs9d4 wrote

Researching AI? So hard work?

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kiyotaka-6 t1_jac9rda wrote

Specifically this type of hard work and things related to it. I know it sounds harsh, but working hard in the animation industry seems like no future to me for example.

Ultimately people will have to admit we humans aren't anything special, AIs will be able to do everything we can. perhaps if we can make them lack emotion and desire that would be something special, but i really doubt emotion and desire won't suddenly pop from self aware intelligence. we don't really know how it fully works anyways

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_ja9w6kt wrote

Thank you for your earnest advice. I'm not as inexperienced with life as you seem to think. I have made a deliberate decision to live this way because I want to. I'm happy this way.

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