Own_Arm1104 t1_j7uyw0n wrote on February 9, 2023 at 4:28 PM

Reply to comment by Supersubie in Generative AI comes to User Interface design! This is crazy. by RegularConstant

People buy grocery from grocery stores because they can't buy directly from the producers, so when it comes to ai, why would they pay you when they could get access cheaper, or especially when it's not even hard for you to do it yourself. Capitalisms about capitalizing the barriers to access. GL out there providing minimal edge case services.

Martholomeow t1_j7vygbo wrote on February 9, 2023 at 8:08 PM

You could also grow your own vegetables but you probably don’t.

Own_Arm1104 t1_j7w9gjp wrote on February 9, 2023 at 9:15 PM

My point is that if you have easy access to something (time included), then you wouldn't pay someone else to do it unless there was value doing so. I can also drive my own car, pick up my own food, & so on, but there is value in saving time, which is the only thing I can see as valuable for op to do because interacting with the ai also takes some skill for better results.

Supersubie t1_j7v0yu8 wrote on February 9, 2023 at 4:41 PM

People can buy directly from the producers but most of them don't because working out what is good produce, whats a good price, negotiating all of the deals and getting it all put together and delivered would be a giant waste of their time that is frankly better spent doing other things.

You are assuming that UI design is the most important thing that I do. Its the LEAST important thing that I do. I hire people straight out of uni to do it because its monkey work. Absolutely no talent or skill required.

What I do that is valuable is get Founders in a room, create a product strategy, understand the value they provide to users, design how we can create a system that amps that to 10. Test that hypothesis and get them to pivot and iterate a few times before we start coding anything.

I save them time, money and get them to product market fit faster. The UI means fuck all haha.

If you are a UI designer.. sure bye bye job but you were really lazy to begin with because that just is the least valuable thing we as product designers do.

You are still going to need a good brain for product strategy, and know why you shouldn't over complicate your product at launch, and slim down everything you COULD do into only the things you SHOULD do and I have worked with 100s of Founders. The one thins I know is none of them think like this and will still need experts on their side to stop them making big mistakes and spending too much on building something no one needs.

This just lets me do that even faster.

thelifeaboveus t1_j7v2y3j wrote on February 9, 2023 at 4:54 PM

As someone that really runs a Product Design agency, and has been in the market for 10+ years, what you are saying is complete bullshit. Proof: wandr.studio

UI/UX design goes hand in hand with product strategy, I don't care how good your strategy are, if you cannot present information in a way that sells your product, your product is garbage.

And a solution cannot be converted to screens in 30 days, we have clients that are with us for 1.5+ years with more than 1 thousand screens designed. If you can do that in 1 week please apply to our company, and we will happily hire you.

Supersubie t1_j7v4pzy wrote on February 9, 2023 at 5:05 PM

Why would I apply to your studio when I run my own haha?

Right so you have literally just agreed with me? You need great strategy, great research and data and then you bundle that up into a product design. The product design is the least valuable bit because it takes the least skill.

You can literally just use design systems you find online if you were a founder and come out with something that will sell. You cannot sell however without a great understand of your users needs and a strategy on how to solve a valuable problem and communicate it in an effective way.

I dont really get what you are disagreeing about here.

I don't think I have ever worked on a project that has required over a 1000 screens... and I have been the Product manager and lead designer on a SaaS product we scaled form £0 to £2million ARR. The design for that product was done in about 3 months with most of the work after that being small iterations based on further User Research.

We must have very different methods, you look like a UI craftsman thats great but you know thats not really what businesses are investing in when working with a product designer.

EDIT:

From your own fucking website... you have a startup bootcamp that you deliver in 4 weeks haha... Yet you say you can't create a solution and turn it into screens in 30 days... your own fucking company website says you do that in 30 days with a pitch deck and full prototyping.

One of you is full of bullshit, either your website or you...

Own_Arm1104 t1_j7wa54u wrote on February 9, 2023 at 9:19 PM

Thanks for embellishing. Your position in this is the only thing I could think of to make it viable. When I posted the reply, I had just woken up & didn't make a good response. I was a little shallow, sorry for that.