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[deleted] t1_j96da21 wrote

Reply to comment by TFenrir in What’s up with DeepMind? by BobbyWOWO

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TFenrir t1_j96hi1f wrote

I generally appreciate what you are saying, and I feel more or less the same way, in the sense that I think that these models should be in our hands sooner, rather than later, so that we can give appropriate large scale feedback... But I also think the reasoning to hold back is more complicated. I get the impression that fear of bad results is a big part of the anxiety people like Demis feel.

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Gagarin1961 t1_j97l74o wrote

> get the impression that fear of bad results is a big part of the anxiety people like Demis feel.

Then he shouldn’t be upset with chatGPT at all, as their product hasn’t produced a particularly “bad” result.

It’s been nothing but positive for millions. He was wrong, the time is right.

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TFenrir t1_j96v7w5 wrote

It's too easy to look at people who don't give you what you want as monsters, but I think we do ourselves a disservice if we eschew nuance for thoughts that affirm our frustrations.

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TFenrir t1_j971ped wrote

You're not displaying any ability to look at situations like this with nuance. It's extremely simplistic to look at the world like it's composed of good guys and bad guys, and you do yourself a disservice when you fall into that trap.

It's not dick-riding to say "maybe there are more complicated reasons that people want to be cautious about the AI they release other than being power hungry, mustache twirling villains".

As a creative exercise, could you imagine a reason that you may even begrudgingly agree with, that someone like Demis would have to hesitate to share their AI? If you can't, don't you think that's telling?

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Honest_Performer2301 t1_j973cwh wrote

They pioneered this shi while you sat at home watching cartoons farting. Show some respect. I'm so sick of ignorant ungrateful people

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BlessedBobo t1_j97e1qv wrote

you seem to be pretty damn entitled for someone who contributes absolutely nothing to humanity

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ccnmncc t1_j97ntm6 wrote

Every consciousness has something to contribute to the universe.

But yeah - some more than others.

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MuseBlessed t1_j97ugs1 wrote

Want to thank you for helping combat dehumanization.

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hydraofwar t1_j96r06y wrote

At the end of the day, either keeping AI for yourself or sharing it with the people is dangerous either way. But it's probably less dangerous to give access to the people than to keep it for the elite.

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hydraofwar t1_j96zhpp wrote

I also forgot to mention that Google could already be literally taking advantage of its powerful models without anyone knowing.

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tangent26_18 t1_j97zbix wrote

I think decentralization is a utopian fantasy. Look at any history book, the powerful have always been the minority and call all the shots. It’s baked into reality.

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BlipOnNobodysRadar t1_j98dug9 wrote

Yet when centralized establishment power is disrupted we see the greatest progress. It may not be a natural state, but it's one worth working towards.

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PoliteThaiBeep t1_j9acefq wrote

When powerful call all the shots it shifts wealth dramatically towards the elite and away from the public reducing quality of life and innovation.

It would also mean any friends and family of powerful would hold the keys to major industry sectors and companies and wouldn't let anyone new in. So encumbents can never be overthrown by a new business (blockbusters -> Netflix)

This is exactly what Russia is - Putin holds all the power and whenever new company comes up who does things in innovative way forcing incumbents out - like Yandex, Vk, Tinkoff and many others - he'd either buy them out for cheap (Yandex) or if it's not successful, threaten, publicly defame on state TV and force CEO out of the country, forcing him to sell for pennies (Vk, tinkoff). All of these companies belong to Putin friends via one or another scheme.

And when you look at the map and export data by country and you wonder how despite such a massive stream of wealth from oil and gas, yet Russian people have the worst quality of life in Europe (tied with Ukraine and Belarus). Many countries have nothing and yet hold significantly better quality of life (Estonia, Singapore, etc)

Basically if you look at a country where some guy/girl who was nobody was allowed to force a powerful corporation out through their innovation and ingenuity - that's a good sign that democracy is working there.

Of course it's not black and white it's a spectrum. If we look at any society decades and hundreds of years ago, their best societies would look far worse than most today, and their worse society would be far worse than north Korea today.

Still it's obvious that more democracy means more progress and, faster innovation, better quality of life and reduced power of the wealthy.

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gosu_link0 t1_j98ae0y wrote

Except Deepmind and Demis were the ones to invent the technology behind chatGPT and made it available for free for others like openAI to copy.

Literally the opposite of "keeping it for himself"

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ReignOfKaos t1_j99o0pe wrote

Bit of a nitpick but Transformers were invented by Google Brain, not DeepMind.

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