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PhysicalChange100 t1_j9y3uu3 wrote

Reply to comment by helpskinissues in People lack imagination and it’s really bothering me by thecoffeejesus

To be fair, there's a growing movement where cars are not seen as part of the future but seen as a hindrance to progress.

And frankly I support that movement, car oriented cities are a nightmare to live in. No wonder people are not excited for Waymo

r/fuckcars

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helpskinissues t1_j9y3ya7 wrote

Electric noiseless cars without drivers without deaths? Well. Sounds cool to me.

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PhysicalChange100 t1_j9y4kfk wrote

Well it does not sound cool as much when you imagine millions of people having these cars, basically recreating traffic. And a whole list of problems associated with car oriented cities.

High speed trains, buses, bikes, tramway tracks, are more efficient and ideal way of transportation.

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helpskinissues t1_j9y4y2e wrote

Not really that more efficient nor effective unless you add a relevant part done by foot plus delays. Buses are really bad and slow compared to taxis even in best scenarios.

Also disagree with the "recreating traffic" argument. More people would use public transportation thanks to mini buses with self driving.

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Puzzleheaded_Pop_743 t1_j9yckq3 wrote

I think you are missing their point. They are just saying that many cities are just structured so inefficiently that cars are required to live there. But this is not necessary.

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helpskinissues t1_j9yd07j wrote

That's unrelated to self driving technology, it's not a criticism nor a reason to be against the technology, it's unrelated.

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Deadboy00 t1_j9yr02x wrote

If policy increases the capacity for more cars to be on the road, it will increase the amount of cars on the road.

Mo cars, mo problems.

Nyc and other cities are actively trying to limit the amount of congestion. 14th street in Manhattan (one of widest, most travelled) has been restricted to busses and bikes for the last couple years. Plus they’re congestion fees, tolls, etc to discourage cars. And more legislation* is on the way.

*with overwhelming support by the public

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helpskinissues t1_j9yrauh wrote

I don't see any contradiction between restricting the amount of vehicles and self driving technologies. In every city with vehicle limitations, taxis are available. Waymo are basically next gen taxis. So I don't see any issue.

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HolmesMalone t1_j9yl8lc wrote

On a post about lacking imagination.

The self driving cars can include buses and minivans. They can transfer you to a bus etc. overall this requires wayyyy less vehicles and wayyyyy less parking spaces, allowing existing cities and infrastructure to be reclaimed for walking etc. So in SF they have the iconic cable cars. This could be like that.

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Tall-Junket5151 t1_j9z6kit wrote

You lack conceptual understanding of future tech, full self driving cars wouldn’t have any traffic because they would coordinate perfectly.

Additionally, I like living in the suburbs and will never live in cramped inner city apartments. A car is the best option because it’s the most effective means of transportation for me. If I want to go somewhere I just get in my car and drive there. I don’t have to learn which convoluted public transportation routes might get me there. Even worse if it’s raining or snowing outside because public transportation never drops you off at your destination, there usually a decent walk associated with it. So no thanks.

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