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Difficult_Review9741 t1_j9wa5th wrote
Reply to comment by helpskinissues in People lack imagination and it’s really bothering me by thecoffeejesus
I seriously doubt anyone has lost a job due to Waymo. It operates in only some parts of two cities.
Tesla "self driving" definitely hasn't taken even one job.
kaityl3 t1_j9xu3dd wrote
My cousin works for Anthem, and was in the claims department - they recently deployed an AI to read through and analyze/approve or reject claims. A human employee would then review its work.
I believe he said 70% of its judgements required no further human editing; the reviewer didn't have to do anything but check off on the AI's work.
MrTacobeans t1_j9yedqd wrote
This is exactly the kind of AI that shouldn't even be scary. It's taking monotonous labor and doing the majority of it. If anthem holds true to any kind of decency their employees can focus on other pursuits within the company while an AI crunches the nitty gritty bits.
If that AI axes 70% of the workforce without proper movement to New adventures for each affected employee that's criminal. But also a possible situation unfortunately :/
drekmonger t1_j9znjjt wrote
> This is exactly the kind of AI that shouldn't even be scary.
Shouldn't be scary. Should be celebrated.
But...capitalism. The people who control such systems will get stupid wealthy, and the people who will be out of a job will go starve under a bridge.
visarga t1_ja50rdh wrote
Probably having to verify AI takes 50% of the time do do it manually, so the relative advantage is smaller.
But another advantage of teaming human+AI is that AI can be calibrated and ensure a baseline of quality. Humans might have higher variance, have a bad day, be tired, inattentive. So it is useful to increase consistency, not just volume.
madali0 t1_j9yrqcl wrote
Isn't that basically how it has always been? Some primal smart guy invents a tool, which replaces some menial job and makes it easier and faster with the tool. And on and on with every tool, could be a wheel, could be a hoe, could be a toaster, it's all basically the same idea
helpskinissues t1_j9wp41x wrote
"cities" bigger than European countries.
turnip_burrito t1_j9wwcvy wrote
Specifically Andorra, Vatican City, Lichtenstein, and like a couple others which are all tiny.
helpskinissues t1_j9xs1pu wrote
You must be a troll lol. Have you compared the populations of Los Angeles, San Francisco or Phoenix?
Edit: if you're lazy to check, Andorra has 80k population. Los Angeles, San Francisco and Phoenix more than 1 million each. Probably around 5-7 million citizens together. Which is more than Denmark, Finland, Norway, Estonia, Latvia... That have less than 6 million citizens per country.
So imagine a whole country like Finland/Denmark having self driving cars everywhere.
turnip_burrito t1_j9xsnps wrote
There's a lot of people. So what?
All those cities are well-marked and mapped for the most part compared to most everywhere else. And their weather is also better than most everywhere else (clear skies most of the time, almost no snow to speak of).
helpskinissues t1_j9xsy0f wrote
"so what?" So Andorra and Vaticano are just trolling examples. We're talking about human drivers being replaced for AI drivers in cities as populated as whole countries.
Most capital cities are very well mapped in every modern country. Weather isn't that good and the only reason Waymo is still not available in other places is because of licensing, not because of technical capabilities. Waymo already has ability to handle storms or snow.
Anyway, you're the only one discussing here about Waymo being able to drive in extreme scenarios, I don't see the point or how it's related to the thread. chatGPT can only work where there's stable Internet as well lol. Tech has limitations by default.
turnip_burrito t1_j9xu8nu wrote
I'm pointing out that your phrasing "larger than European countries" is deceptive. If you are being honest, then in terms of land size (square kilometers), those cities are larger than those countries, and only those countries. Certainly not Spain, France, or Germany, all of which are larger in square footage than Phoenix, SF, and LA.
I'm not sure how relevant population is when basically nobody uses self-driving cars in those cities. You see more cars on the road, and pedestrians/cyclists, which I guess is the point you are making?
Weather isn't that good? Are you kidding me? All three of those cities have good weather for driving conditions. Anyhow it's good to hear Waymo can handle storms and snow.
If you can bring up self-driving cars in this thread that doesn't mention them in the OP, then I can continue to discuss the details of self-driving cars in a reply to your post. It's fair game.
helpskinissues t1_j9xunie wrote
The impact of technology is measured in users, not in land size.
Weather isn't that good. It has rain (last weeks heavy rain). And driving conditions on Los Angeles is far from the best in the world, they're infamous for having a terrible traffic.
I don't have any issue with your mention of limitations of Waymo, but that's missing my point: how AI is impacting human lives (not land size). And when you discover that the main limitation of Waymo release is actually political licensing, well, even more surprising.
turnip_burrito t1_j9xv56c wrote
>The impact of technology is measured in users, not in land size.
How many people in these cities actually have cars that are driving themselves?
helpskinissues t1_j9xvj6l wrote
No need to own chatGPT just like there's no need to own Waymo cars. It's basically a service. And millions are able to use it right now (albeit maybe around 1 million because of licenses, not fully released yet for every user).
But, Cruise also exists.
Arizona, San Francisco...
As far as I can understand, it's around 1-3 million citizens having available an actual effective alternative to human drivers.
And if we count Tesla (I wouldn't, but it's still an impressive driving assistant) as self driving, we jump to dozens of millions very quickly.
vivehelpme t1_jacsmcn wrote
>Tesla "self driving" definitely hasn't taken even one job.
It took the job of the kamikaze pilot
play_yr_part t1_j9wjphf wrote
this. IDK the timeframe for completely autonomous self driving as it seems to have been "within a decade" for like a decade now lol w but with Tesla's self driving at least, recent updates have sometimes been one step forward two steps back.
Entirely possible another car maker's version could change that in a flash though.
helpskinissues t1_j9wpg4g wrote
So having 24x7 no-driver self driving cars operating in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Phoenix (and waiting to obtain license to run on New York and other cities) is not "completely autonomous driving"? Why do you focus on Tesla that isn't even trying to replace drivers?
play_yr_part t1_ja5n5p7 wrote
Late reply, and I confess my ignorance about Waymo other than the occasional thing I see on social media. If they're likely to scale up in a way where things will be vastly different in several years time then fair enough.
Kennybob12 t1_j9wph4w wrote
Mercedes actually just passed tesla with their certification to use their fsd based system in the US. Which to me is a better sign than any that we are approaching that precipice. Im much more interested in relevant biz injecting some ai into their process than some hot shot with a (or some rockets) dream who cant make a decent vehicle to save his life.
Surur t1_j9xj4ww wrote
Mercedes's system is really bad - it just follows the car in front, and if there is not a car in front it wont activate.
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Kennybob12 t1_ja3tpxh wrote
Are you in nevada? That is the only place it's been registered to operate as of today. Otherwise, yes you are still driving a level 2. No matter what your experience is, there takes a certain level of criteria to be certified as level 3. Tesla doesn't just get some magic pass. They dont have it. They are close, but by going off radar they will create more problems than they will solve.
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Kennybob12 t1_ja8dwbf wrote
Hurts when they even have to say that it's not level 3....
Kennybob12 t1_ja433w0 wrote
you're absolutely right the last time i saw a mercedes phantom break or spontaneously combust was because of its inferior autopilot. Maybe the software is there, but the car is miles away from what it promises. And unfortunately you still drive a car, not a program.
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