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Howtobefreaky t1_j7rhvlh wrote

This is some libertarianism-ass stuff here. It doesn't work in practice. People are not rational or inherently moral creatures. A person who decides that they have no limit and it affects others in a negative way is inherently violating another's liberty. This doesn't pass the smell test.

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City_dave t1_j7roznw wrote

Many libertarians believe in the principle of harm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle#:~:text=8%20External%20links-,Definition,basic%20principles%20of%20libertarian%20politics.

You are labeling libertarians as anarchists.

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Howtobefreaky t1_j7rsfmp wrote

Modern libertarians =/= John Stuart Mill

Also horseshoe theory

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City_dave t1_j7rsotv wrote

That's semantics. You are changing the definition to suit your opinion.

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Howtobefreaky t1_j7s3cwo wrote

Let me put it to you this way: you know all those "conservatives" who believe Trump is also a conservative? Yeah. Thats analogous to what libertarianism has become. Are there true conservatives and/or libertarians? Definitely. Is the mainstream and prevalent "ideology" of those groups, in effect, actually grounded in and reflecting back the 19th century (or prior) philosophy that made for their political foundation? No.

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Howtobefreaky t1_j7s1pt7 wrote

Not really, thats just the reality of mainstream modern libertarianism. If all libertarians really did adhere to Mill's philosophy, they wouldn't be nearly the laughing stock of political ideologies that they are today.

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Agarikas t1_j7sp70c wrote

There's a difference between people who identify as libertarian as a political ideology and there are real libertarians who just want to grill in peace.

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Howtobefreaky t1_j7t5pa7 wrote

There is a difference, but the former shapes the latter over time, and its happening, as much as you want to stick to your definitions and political philosophy.

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Agarikas t1_j7t870n wrote

Some, I'm sure, get enticed by the devil. But not all.

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Agarikas t1_j7sp090 wrote

> People are not rational or inherently moral creatures

So why are we so hell bent on going against that?

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