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AllEndsAreAnds t1_j987lsg wrote

Given humanity’s absolutely abysmal record of correctly perceiving other beings’ intelligence and consciousness, we should err on the side of caution: assume consciousness, and work towards evidence of non-consciousness.

Innocent until proven guilty, but for consciousness, since one would have us apply moral consideration to beings undeservingly, while the other has us denying it in beings that are deserving - a far worse outcome much in line with our history on this planet.

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FusionRocketsPlease OP t1_j989609 wrote

Leftism attacks again.

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AllEndsAreAnds t1_j98h2ts wrote

You yourself vaguely gestured towards “imitate the human brain”, and you’re not alone in not understanding what consciousness is. Given that literally nobody knows what it is yet, isn’t it morally and intellectually prudent to assign it when it appears to be present, rather than deny it even though it appears to be present?

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FusionRocketsPlease OP t1_j98ipwg wrote

What theory do you believe? Type physicalism? Token physicalism? I believe there is something in matter with mental properties. But only certain types of systems can realize human-like consciousness. I believe that a combination of mental properties of matter more token physicalism is the answer of consciousness A von Neumann computer cannot have consciousness by writing code that performs the "function" of consciousness. It cannot be conscious because there is something in the von Neumann configuration that does not allow it conscience.

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spacedrace t1_j98nlps wrote

You are approaching consciousness through logic, there is a deeper sense in which it can be understood. But you have to let go of drilled in mental models of sense making. It is something that exists outside yourself and wholly within your self. It's highly paradoxical and impossible to describe objectively. You are scratching the surface of an insanely deep question that is knowable and unknownable. Take your time, live your life, engage with other living beings directly. It's not something that you can describe in language, or with art or action but all at the same time you can. Take a deep breath and sit with it as long as you can, then do it again and again and again. A few years from now you will understand completely and not at all.

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