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CrelbowMannschaft t1_j97kjjg wrote

We achieved flight without mimicking birds or bats. Whether I'm conscious and having a subjective experience of being or not is of no consequence to anyone but myself. If I speak and act exactly like someone experiencing a subjective, conscious existence, it's good enough to assume that I'm having that. If a computer behaves exactly like it's conscious, that's good enough. It actually being conscious wouldn't add anything from any human perspective.

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AI_is_the_rake t1_j98zltx wrote

That can’t be right. We devote resources to prevent suffering. If there isn’t a conscious experience it would be very energy inefficient to assume consciousness. We’d have to build humane infrastructure around robots and machines instead of using them as tools.

Whether robots have consciousnesses or not is relevant.

It’s also relevant for humans. If humans did not have consciousness then acting as a psychopath would be rational. Kind of like how people treat NPCs in games. But healthy minds have a hardwired assumption that other people are conscious and so we treat each other with dignity and respect and not an object to be manipulated or overcome.

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Spire_Citron t1_j98ng29 wrote

Yup, though I think the key is that it would have to do that consistently and completely. We have AIs now that are definitely not conscious that can superficially mimic that sometimes and I think it's important that we don't consider things like that to be interchangeable with actual consciousness.

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FusionRocketsPlease OP t1_j97lzy4 wrote

You ignore exactly what I said in the post and tell us to do exactly what I proposed we shouldn't do.

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_j97mazo wrote

I addressed your post in its entirety. Your assertion that computers must be conscious is false. Your assertion that in order to be conscious, a computer must be exactly modeled on the structure and function of the human brain is also false. From your false premises, you draw false conclusions.

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FusionRocketsPlease OP t1_j97obg3 wrote

1 - People like you are willing to give "rights" (!!!) to tools simply based on their behavior. Others are terrified and think Bing has a conscience just because he uses first-person words that denote emotion.

2 - And if you think that a computer can be conscious just because of code, that means you believe in an ultra-liberal form of functionalism, which can only be confirmed or refuted by what I proposed in my post.

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_j97p0lk wrote

  1. You don't know me, so you don't know what people "like me" are. I never said anything about giving rights to computers or tools, so don't put words in my mouth, please.

  2. It doesn't matter if a computer is conscious or not. It's silly for you to even bring up the subject. We can never know if someone other than ourselves is having a subjective, conscious experience of existence. It also doesn't matter, for reasons I've already stated.

Stop replying to me.

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ThoughtSafe9928 t1_j97w624 wrote

OK. So what makes Bing not appear to actually be conscious?

Now what if you fixed all of those issues? Now what’s preventing it from appearing actually conscious? Nothing? You can’t disprove it’s consciousness?

Well, if it looks like a zebra, eats like a zebra, sounds like a zebra, and acts like a zebra, it might be a zebra.

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